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Okay, now for some coherent thoughts on last night. Should I be grateful that I can once again think something more complex than "aljlkjkilgjejnejgnjgk"?

First of all, I'm still kind of hung up on the fact that the demon taunted Sam about the telekinesis. I've still got a firm belief that Sam doesn't really have telekinesis, but was picking up Max's powers. (Which is amusing, really, because when do I ever write a fic where he doesn't use it? *snickers*) He only did it once, while in the same house with Max. It seems weird to me then that the demon would taunt Sam to make the gun move, because he has to know that Sam can't do that.

Okay, this is going to sound really stupid, but did you ever see that episode of Charmed where the telepathic kid could use other witches' abilities because of his powers? (I can't believe I'm referencing Charmed, for Christ's sake. *headsmack*) What if this is like that? Do I think Sam is the only one who can do this? No, not really. I'm not exactly sure if Max would have been able to have visions if he'd stayed alive, but I think the demon would be way more interested in Sam if he were the only one who could do it. So far, he's only shown more interest for the obvious reason that Sam's family is hunting the thing.

It's also kind of interesting to me that when the demon left John, it didn't possess either Dean or Sam. I'd say that that would be a good explanation for Dean's necklace -- that it wards off demon possession -- but remember back in "Phantom Traveller" when Sam told Dean he needed to calm down or the demon would possess him? If that was what the necklace is for, then it seems odd that it wouldn't stand up against that demon, and if so, then it definitely wouldn't have stood up against this one.

It also makes for an interesting concept that it didn't possess Sam. I don't think it's that Sam can't be possessed -- hell, he was possessed in "Asylum". Theoretically, with what we've been given in the past, the demon could have jumped into either one of them and it didn't. It knew damn well neither Dean nor Sam would shoot the other one, but John was another story entirely. He may love his boys, but he said it himself -- the demon comes before everything else. He would have shot those boys in a heartbeat and worried about the consequences later. The demon's best chance of taunting them and getting out of the situation in one piece was to inhabit John.

And I've been thinking about this for a while, and it bugs me -- that it's taken John twenty-two years to get anything solid on this demon. I mean, seriously? The man who can look at a couple of drownings and pull "water sprite" out of thin fucking air can't find house fires that started in the nursery, interview the families, and realize that the kids might be a little bit off? That's why John not knowing about Sam's abilities seems weird to me (I still think John wasn't really paying attention to Missouri when she said that thing in "Home" about Sam having a bunch of power because someone mentioned Mary and John just slipped right into ANGSTANDWOE mode). I'm not sure that I buy that John didn't already know about Sam's visions, but if he didn't, why the hell not? There's got to be some massive denial going on if THAT'S true.

Then there's the thing about the demon killing Mary and Jess because they were in the way. (RINGS! *flails* Sorry, but my Sam/Jess 'shipping heart won't let go of that anytime soon. I need to fic that somehow, damn it.) "They were in the way" sounds like a fairly vague reason considering that if I were the demon and wanted to kill anyone in that house, it would be the ex-military man in the living room and not the pretty blonde woman. You know, the threatening one. Of course, my mind went off on this crazy tangent like, "Oh, my God, they were angels which is why they were a threat and that's why they died OMGWTF!!1!1!", before I realized, "You know what? That makes no fucking sense." Although I do think it's inordinately weird that the three women we've seen threatened or killed by the demon all went to bed in white nightdresses. Dude, do you know ANY women who go to bed in white nightdresses? I think I've maybe owned one white nightdress in my entire life, and no woman I know does, girly or tomboy or whatever. I'm not saying that no one does, I'm just saying that the fact that they all randomly picked the same damn thing out of the closet on the night they were attacked is just odd.

If the death of the woman is a sacrifice, I'm having a really hard time jiving what we know of Sam's situation with what we know of Max's situation. Both of them lost their mothers as babies. Both of them developed abilities around the same time. So why the hell did Jess have to die? I had this great train of thought going on in my head that the blood dripping on the baby was like a demonic baptism, but I don't think Mary's blood did get on Sam. Honestly, I think the only person it did get on was John, which led to a whole line of conjecture that OMG Mary's death gave John psychic abilities!!1!, but ... no. But it would explain why Jess had to die -- "Oops, didn't get you the first time" -- but wouldn't explain why Sam and Max developed their powers at the same time. They don't share the same birthday as far as we know (which would make their "baptism" not the same day), they wouldn't have been "baptised" the same way, etc.

Hell, I don't know. I'm still a little broken from last night.

Oh, and for the record, for somebody that seems to have one of his oh-so-detailed visions every time the demon so much as stops in the next town over for gas, Sam didn't have any visions this episode. You know, until that last minute, which I will be firmly believing until September.

KRIPKE, YOU DICK, I LOVE YOU.

The good news is that the plotbunnies that died so suddenly and violently last night at 9:58 p.m. or so have now been resurrected and are currently eating my brains. Like, literally. (No, really, that's good news.) WOOHOO!

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Yay for zombie!plotbunnies.

(That is, plotbunnies that are zombies, not bunnies about zombies.

(Oh, who am I kidding — if you wrote zombie!fic I’d totally read it.)

I'm thinking that the demon didn't go posses Sam or Dean because it was seriously wounded and had to go elsewhere to heal up. After all that gun packs enormous punch, and it had to have hurt it. Which means going to lick it's wounds.

I'm with you...I think it's a Sam vision. I don't know when the vision started or if it encompasses the whole ep, but that's what I believe.

Nope...not dead...they will survive.

I've been thinking over the whole "Jess and Mary being in the way thing" too. The only thing I can come up with, that makes sense to me, is that maybe they would have prevented Sam from using his powers in some way. Like, if Mary had lived, John and the boys would have had a "normal" life and, therefore, Sam's powers wouldn't have developed at all? As for Jess, Sam had started living a "normal" life. Maybe by marrying Jess, having kids, etc, his powers would never have been used again, you know?

There is an argument that Sam wasn't possessed in Asylum, but influenced by the evil doctor. The things he did were things driven by his own psyche, not the actions of a total other entity.

Just throwing that out there.

I think that neither Dean nor Sam can be possessed. We just don't know why yet... possibly Sam can't be possessed because of his abilities and Dean for some other reason.

Kripke has to have thought this out, right?

*snicker*

Even so, it's a little odd if the evil doctor could influence him but this thing can't possess him, especially since this guy's so powerful the normal demon tricks don't work on him.

I just have a hard time with the not-able-to-be-possessed thing. I mean, in this case, it just seems like more of a tactical move. John's the most likely to shoot the boys first and worry later. It wouldn't have lasted long enough for taunting and torture if it had gone into either one of them.

Kripke has to have thought this out, right?

I'd like to think so ... ;)

Of all of it, the demon-through-the-floorboard pissed me off the most in terms of What the fuck? moments.

I still wish Possessed!John escaped and the boys hunted him through Season 2.

Oooh, the angst that would have brought us.

So Sam would be a little like the girl in X-Men? Only that he doesn't have to TOUCH the person with the powers?

Then, the whole 'visions' theory, makes SO MUCH SENSE OMG!eleven!! but I think that would be such a CHEAP way to get out of it, for real. Easy, yes. It would work, yes. But omg cheap. I think this is because there is so much significance in a lot of 'random' things going on in this show, that fandom can analize and brood over and discuss and I dunno, just being all: Uh, guess what, we did get picked up for a secons season, sooo it was a dream, haha. Just seems...disappointing.

The Demon's great plaaaaan *cue music of doom* What was he gonna do with all the babies? I mean, they must have some kind of powers then, right? Like the baby from Salvation who never cried and 'seemed to read minds' and Sam with his visions and maybe-telekenesis...hmmm...

So much to think about, so little coherency

Well, people CAN survive car crashes... but older model cars weren't exactly known for their crash-survival qualities...

It's going to be a long, loooooong summer. *scowls at evil Kripke*

freaking ETERNAL!

Okay, this is going to sound really stupid, but did you ever see that episode of Charmed where the telepathic kid could use other witches' abilities because of his powers?
I remember this one. I can't remember what power he had, empathy maybe? Because apparently empaths can tap into other people's powers.

that would be a good explanation for Dean's necklace -- that it wards off demon possession -- but remember back in "Phantom Traveller" when Sam told Dean he needed to calm down or the demon would possess him?
Maybe John gave Dean the necklace and the boys don't know exactly what it does? I know, weak...

Dude, do you know ANY women who go to bed in white nightdresses?
Now this is something that have been bothering me since day one. What's up with that? Specially because when Dean first showed up what Jess was wearing was way different from a nightgown.

As one of my friend's so thoughtfully put it, this finale fucking sucked. Now, don't get me wrong, I was freaking out and I loved it, but if the show doesn't get renewed (yeah, I know, I'm a blasphemer), they can say that they died in the crash. End of series.

Kripke is evil. Kripke is the demon. If you look real close at him, you can see the yellow swirls in his eyes. *nods*

I've still got a firm belief that Sam doesn't really have telekinesis, but was picking up Max's powers. He only did it once, while in the same house with Max. It seems weird to me then that the demon would taunt Sam to make the gun move, because he has to know that Sam can't do that.

I'm not sure I agree. First, because it seems that many of this kind of demon-kin shares the telekinesis that Max, Sam, demon-boy with Meg that trapped John, and Papa Demon all have manifested. Sam and Max, at least, are tied by similar events, it seems -- though both of them seem to have come through things relatively intact. I'd say it has more to do with Sam not being able to consciously control the full extent of his powers yet.

Second, because Papa Demon might easily have been blocking Sam's attempt, or holding the gun in place. Let's say you're trying to hold something motionless on a table, while a three-year old is trying to slide it out of your grip and use it. You're likely going to win without even much of a struggle.

So, in a way (at least, this makes sense in my head), the demon was testing Sam to see if he actually had strength.

I'm sticking with the theory that all of the children who went through the fire, twenty-some years ago, and weren't rescued became demon-possessed by the Powers that were riding them. The fact that Sam got rescued before that could happen suggests his abilities aren't fully manifested.

That's my take on it, anyways. : )

I'm sticking with the theory that all of the children who went through the fire, twenty-some years ago, and weren't rescued became demon-possessed by the Powers that were riding them. The fact that Sam got rescued before that could happen suggests his abilities aren't fully manifested.

I was kind of thinking the same thing. I don't think I agree with the theory that Sam was just picking up Max's powers. It's a good theory, and it could be true, but I kind of like the idea of Sam, who doesn't really want anything to do with the supernatural, end up being being a little supernatural himself.

See, I've been operating under the theory that John knows the kids have something to do with why the demon kills their mothers and he knows about the powers. Then Missouri's comments make sense, and she didn't say 'Sam is having visions!' she just said he had a lot of psychic power - which doesn't mean it's been tapped yet. Then the whole 'YOU TELL ME WHEN YOUR BROTHER STARTS HAVING VISIONS' thing fits better because he might have been assuming Sam hadn't developed anything yet and he didn't want to tell them about that part of the demon's MO because it would make Sam be more rebellious and stupid and emo and it would make Dean even more Dean. Or something along those lines anyway.

As to why Sam and Max manifested at the same time, if Sam got blood baptized later, maybe there was some kind of mystical start-date. Like, they all got hit with the blood on their own day derived from their birthday, but it went into effect at the same time... A demonic "Synchronize your watches" as it were!

That's an interesting theory that Sam is taking on other people's powers rather than having telekinesis himself, but what about his visions? Speaking of which, while it makes perfect sense for the final crash to be a Sam!Vision, I sure would feel played and disappointed if that's the way the writers choose to go.

I think that Sam is probably possessed (somewhat) by the demon too, but I'm not sure I'm following the "Mary and Jess were in the way" theory. From what John said in Salvation, in all the families that the demon has gone after, all the victims were the mother of the baby. They can't all be in the way (instead of, say, the father)??

My favorite new pet theory (*pets lovingly*) is that the demon will attempt to turn Sam by turning Dean. Dean showed a willingness to do whatever it takes to protect his family in the finale... something the demon made note of. Notice after Dean admits his own ruthlessness scares him, the demon comes out, voices approval (albeit in his guise as Daddy!Win) and proceeds to attempt to break Dean. Dean showed a kink in his moral armor, a very exploitable one, as pop culture teaches us.

Sam, on the other hand, showed a willingness to trust Dean's judgement with very little correlating evidence or logical reasoning behind it. Dean says it's not john, Sam trusts him implicitly. This blind trust, and Deans admitted willingness to do whatever it takes to keep his family safe and whole, is, I believe, what the demon was attempting to exploit by focusing his torture on Dean.

As for Sam's mysteriously absent powers? You could be right. I was thinking maybe because he hadn't had a vision first, like the vision (apparently his primary power) jumpstarts his other abilities?

Or, you know, I could be grasping at straws.

It's also kind of interesting to me that when the demon left John, it didn't possess either Dean or Sam. I'd say that that would be a good explanation for Dean's necklace -- that it wards off demon possession -- but remember back in "Phantom Traveller" when Sam told Dean he needed to calm down or the demon would possess him?

That could well be the reason. Dean's necklace, I mean. And the fact that Sam mentioned the possiblity of being possessed back in PT? I wouldn't put too much weight on that as the writers don't seem to be OVERLY concerned w/ continuity.

I like this post. I need to think on it some more when I am not so bone-weary. ♥

Of course, my mind went off on this crazy tangent like, "Oh, my God, they were angels which is why they were a threat and that's why they died OMGWTF!!1!1!", before I realized, "You know what? That makes no fucking sense."

BWAH...that made me laugh really hard. And OMG...Im still all a twitter about this episode...

Oh, and for the record, for somebody that seems to have one of his oh-so-detailed visions every time the demon so much as stops in the next town over for gas, Sam didn't have any visions this episode. You know, until that last minute, which I will be firmly believing until September.

I'm afraid I have no idea what youre talking about here...like no clue...

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