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apocalypsos) wrote2009-09-25 02:29 am
apocalypsos) wrote2009-09-25 02:29 am
Fuck this noise, I've achieved Winchesters.
And I've had so much time to wait for it to download that now I'm in Friday brain. Thanks a lot, internet.
I wish I had Tivo. Hmph.
-- Let me state before I start this that I spoiled myself rotten before I even watched the episode using everybody else's episode reactions. Heh. So, yes. Know everything, still terribly excited. :D
-- "I want to give you a gift. I want to give everything." I WANT TO SEND YOU GIFT BASKETS FULL OF CHOCOLATE ORANGES. AND A PONY. It's not "Dean passed home ec with flying colors," but I'll take it! \o/
-- I would say something about the Dean/Michael - Sam/Lucifer showoff, but hey, who didn't see that coming a mile away? Not that I'm complaining, because it's more than a little awesome, let's be honest. I will say this, though -- I have a sneaking suspicion that Dean's going to let Michael in before Sam lets Lucifer in. I don't think they can end the season or the series without reaching that inevitable fight, and I just feel like it's far too easy and obvious for Sam to let Lucifer in first. Dean's going to say the wrong thing or be affected by the wrong situation and let Michael in, and Michael will act like a total douchenozzle. I mean, do I seriously believe he's out to fight Lucifer anymore than the rest of the angels are? No, speaking of sneaking suspicions, I have one that Michael's taking over forGod John Doe Jersey. Fuck fighting Lucifer.
Kripke and company made a point of saying how sympathetic Lucifer, so I'm going to shoot my wad right now and play Guess That Spoiler!.
Here's what I think: We're going to get Lucifer sweet-talking Sam, but true to his word, he won't lie and he won't force Sam into it. We're going to get Michael, distant and mercenary and awful from the sound of things. There's a reason I suspect Michael's already in there, and it's because I'm really not sure I'm buying this bullshit about him needing to ask. Raphael's a prime example of why not -- he either lied to get into that poor mechanic or he went in without asking, because you cannot tell me that he just told that guy, "Hey, can I use your body for a while? Also, you'll be a dribbling idiot when I'm done with you" and the guy let him walk right on in. Fuck, for all that they've pounded into our skulls for four seasons that demons lie, they seem to be a fuckton more truthful than the angels have been in a single season. They've even got Castiel beat, and that guy really IS on our side.
So ... yeah. Michael will fight his way into (or out of, and if I'm right on that, I want a pony) Dean, which will lead to Sam letting Lucifer in. And I'm calling it now ... by the end of the season, we'll be rooting for Lucifer when the inevitable battle between ... um, pretty much everybody commences.
(Admittedly, this is all a long shot, as I'm not sure I trust the writers to be that cool.)
-- Also, I'm not sure I buy that Lucifer raised Castiel and saved Sam and Dean in the premiere, but if it's true, it wouldn't surprise me and it would play into my Guess That Spoiler! fantasy SPN-writer game. Heh.
-- I still think God is out there, though. You don't take something like the motherfucking amulet and say it's a neon sign that points to God and then not get any use out of it. Gun on the mantel, folks.
-- That said, I suspect if we do see God, it's going to be a familiar face. 'Cause ... well, hell, if Sam and Dean are so damn important, it wouldn't be a surprise if God's been watching them over carefully for just such an occasion. I think I'd die laughing if it turned out to be Bobby or somebody we've seen all the time like that.
-- That said, I also think it really WOULD be cool if the show had the balls to commit to the God-is-dead scenario. Just as an atheist, I find that a hilarious concept. Oh, no, guess we'll have to fend for ourselves. Heh.
-- Raphael can bite me for that crack about the last century being a mountain of suck. Boy, aren't WE a glass-half-empty sort of fellow? You know what? Yeah, the last century sucked. We could have an argument about why every century in history sucked worse than any other. I think somebody's just bitter. Hmph.
-- I like Lindsay. She can come back any time she wants. She made the same face over "Keith" that I did. Seriously, Sam, Keith? :D
-- Dean's speech would have hit me a lot harder if I wasn't pretty sure a good chunk of it was patently bullshit. I don't buy for a minute that he's happy without his brother around. Hell, when he wasn't treating Castiel like a partner, he was treating him like a little brother (taking him out to get laid, fixing his tie, general spazz-wrangling). He NEEDS a Sammy. Has he been fun to have around the last four years? I can imagine not. But I think even Dean's smart enough to realize Sam's got plenty of reasons to sport a permanent bitchface, it just sucks to deal with that constantly. I don't know, I just feel like Dean really did have a good time, he's just living in the moment and it's going to come back and bite him in the ass. Like, say, next week. ;)
-- I'm too tired to argue racefail this late at night, but I feel like it's a two on a scale of ten, if that. Three black guys in one episode? And they all made it out alive? They weren't all good people, but I'm still recovering from the shock of the show managing to cram more characters of color into one episode than they sometimes used to manage in months worth of episodes. I'm taking my small blessings where I can get them these days, honestly, and I think I'm just burnt out arguing about misogyny and racism in my fandoms when I'm using them to lighten my mood after arguing about misogyny and racism over at![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
ontd_political. As much as it's possible to deal with them in both fiction and reality, I really should hang back from the discussions these days since all they do is give me a headache and make me feel guilty about liking this show. Urgh.
I wish I had Tivo. Hmph.
-- Let me state before I start this that I spoiled myself rotten before I even watched the episode using everybody else's episode reactions. Heh. So, yes. Know everything, still terribly excited. :D
-- "I want to give you a gift. I want to give everything." I WANT TO SEND YOU GIFT BASKETS FULL OF CHOCOLATE ORANGES. AND A PONY. It's not "Dean passed home ec with flying colors," but I'll take it! \o/
-- I would say something about the Dean/Michael - Sam/Lucifer showoff, but hey, who didn't see that coming a mile away? Not that I'm complaining, because it's more than a little awesome, let's be honest. I will say this, though -- I have a sneaking suspicion that Dean's going to let Michael in before Sam lets Lucifer in. I don't think they can end the season or the series without reaching that inevitable fight, and I just feel like it's far too easy and obvious for Sam to let Lucifer in first. Dean's going to say the wrong thing or be affected by the wrong situation and let Michael in, and Michael will act like a total douchenozzle. I mean, do I seriously believe he's out to fight Lucifer anymore than the rest of the angels are? No, speaking of sneaking suspicions, I have one that Michael's taking over for
Kripke and company made a point of saying how sympathetic Lucifer, so I'm going to shoot my wad right now and play Guess That Spoiler!.
Here's what I think: We're going to get Lucifer sweet-talking Sam, but true to his word, he won't lie and he won't force Sam into it. We're going to get Michael, distant and mercenary and awful from the sound of things. There's a reason I suspect Michael's already in there, and it's because I'm really not sure I'm buying this bullshit about him needing to ask. Raphael's a prime example of why not -- he either lied to get into that poor mechanic or he went in without asking, because you cannot tell me that he just told that guy, "Hey, can I use your body for a while? Also, you'll be a dribbling idiot when I'm done with you" and the guy let him walk right on in. Fuck, for all that they've pounded into our skulls for four seasons that demons lie, they seem to be a fuckton more truthful than the angels have been in a single season. They've even got Castiel beat, and that guy really IS on our side.
So ... yeah. Michael will fight his way into (or out of, and if I'm right on that, I want a pony) Dean, which will lead to Sam letting Lucifer in. And I'm calling it now ... by the end of the season, we'll be rooting for Lucifer when the inevitable battle between ... um, pretty much everybody commences.
(Admittedly, this is all a long shot, as I'm not sure I trust the writers to be that cool.)
-- Also, I'm not sure I buy that Lucifer raised Castiel and saved Sam and Dean in the premiere, but if it's true, it wouldn't surprise me and it would play into my Guess That Spoiler! fantasy SPN-writer game. Heh.
-- I still think God is out there, though. You don't take something like the motherfucking amulet and say it's a neon sign that points to God and then not get any use out of it. Gun on the mantel, folks.
-- That said, I suspect if we do see God, it's going to be a familiar face. 'Cause ... well, hell, if Sam and Dean are so damn important, it wouldn't be a surprise if God's been watching them over carefully for just such an occasion. I think I'd die laughing if it turned out to be Bobby or somebody we've seen all the time like that.
-- That said, I also think it really WOULD be cool if the show had the balls to commit to the God-is-dead scenario. Just as an atheist, I find that a hilarious concept. Oh, no, guess we'll have to fend for ourselves. Heh.
-- Raphael can bite me for that crack about the last century being a mountain of suck. Boy, aren't WE a glass-half-empty sort of fellow? You know what? Yeah, the last century sucked. We could have an argument about why every century in history sucked worse than any other. I think somebody's just bitter. Hmph.
-- I like Lindsay. She can come back any time she wants. She made the same face over "Keith" that I did. Seriously, Sam, Keith? :D
-- Dean's speech would have hit me a lot harder if I wasn't pretty sure a good chunk of it was patently bullshit. I don't buy for a minute that he's happy without his brother around. Hell, when he wasn't treating Castiel like a partner, he was treating him like a little brother (taking him out to get laid, fixing his tie, general spazz-wrangling). He NEEDS a Sammy. Has he been fun to have around the last four years? I can imagine not. But I think even Dean's smart enough to realize Sam's got plenty of reasons to sport a permanent bitchface, it just sucks to deal with that constantly. I don't know, I just feel like Dean really did have a good time, he's just living in the moment and it's going to come back and bite him in the ass. Like, say, next week. ;)
-- I'm too tired to argue racefail this late at night, but I feel like it's a two on a scale of ten, if that. Three black guys in one episode? And they all made it out alive? They weren't all good people, but I'm still recovering from the shock of the show managing to cram more characters of color into one episode than they sometimes used to manage in months worth of episodes. I'm taking my small blessings where I can get them these days, honestly, and I think I'm just burnt out arguing about misogyny and racism in my fandoms when I'm using them to lighten my mood after arguing about misogyny and racism over at
ontd_political. As much as it's possible to deal with them in both fiction and reality, I really should hang back from the discussions these days since all they do is give me a headache and make me feel guilty about liking this show. Urgh.
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He said to Sam, "Why do you think you were there?" If the whole point was to bring Sam to the chapel so he could take him as his meatsuit, why would he then sen dhim away so he had to go to plan B?
And I love when villains promise to not lie. Makes them more fun.
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agree that lucifer didn't send them to the airplane...and if there's a player that powerful around, it could have also resurrected castiel. maybe michael? as a god stand-in? dunno...
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