Look, I can still be fannish about new things!

[apocalypsos]

My thoughts so far:

-- This is SO MY SHIT. I just hope they don't completely punk out on the concept in the end.

-- Until that little girl got upset over the kid in the hospital, I was sure it was going to come out that she hadn't had a vision, either. And I'm not sure I wanted her to, since she's another in a long line of Creepy Little Girls and I'm a bit tired of it.

-- I'm curious what Demetri's fiancee saw in her flash forward. She had to have told him, right? I can't imagine she wouldn't have known in her flash forward that he wasn't alive if he'd been murdered, of all things, especially sonsidering he apparently only dies a month or so previously.

-- That said, my money's on him as the babydaddy. It just seems too blatant with Janis (that's the pregnant one's name, yes?) at the doctor's office by herself and crying when she finds out the sex. Which ... not that I don't think a first-time mom wouldn't cry over that, but it just seemed a bit much to me, you know?

-- I may have done Muppet arms at work when I was watching and Shohreh Aghdashloo showed up. Woohoo! I dig her in pretty much everything.

-- Okay, the Courtney Vance flash forward was kinda funny, but then he told Joseph Fiennes exactly what happened and I couldn't decide whether to cry or gag or both.

-- I'm still trying to parse out exactly what the hell is going to happen in that main family. So Joseph Fiennes is drunk and at work, his wife is happily naked with Captain Norrington, and the daughter is ... hell, fuck if I know. You want to know what I think? Okay, SO. Joseph Fiennes is drunk and at work. The wife is happy and naked with Captain Norrington. The daughter's off somewhere else with D. Gibbons and Dylan, and her parents (or at least her mother) and Norrington doesn't seem particularly concerned by their absence. From just what we've seen so far, I think Norrington's in on causing the flash forwards and in the flash forward the wife had, he was calling whoever had the kids and -- from the sounds of the daughter's flash forward -- doing terrible things to them. Or something. Hell if I know.

-- I'm just curious how they plan on carrying this off if it gets renewed for another season. Are we going to have flash forwards every season? 'Cause that would be awesome.

So, yay, one more new show to add to my viewing list. (To replace Vampire Diaries, which I thought I would like but turned out to do nothing for me. Same for Eastwick.)

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Hey, I've got a quick SPN question.

Have we gotten a reason why Michael isn't talking to Dean directly to get his permission to be Michael's vessel? 'Cause Castiel asked Jimmy, and Lucifer talked to Sam, and Dean ... Dean's had to deal with Zachariah, Snotty Maitre D' of the Gilded Cheeseburger Room.

I keep trying to remember if we've gotten a reason like that with God off playing skeeball Michael's filling in as Assistant God and he's kinda busy, okay? And I can't recall if we did or not, and see, this is why I make up theories like Michael's already in there and needs to be let OUT, not IN. (Also, if that does turn out to be true, or if Lucifer sends Sam an actual gift basket on the show, whichever one of you is on the SPN writing staff is going to get a lot of shit from me for not hiring my sorry ass when you had the chance. Heh.)

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This continues to be one of those weeks where I could use the magical ability to make hot tea or apple cider appear whenever I want it.

I have to go work on Heroine Addiction before I go to bed, which is almost back to the same point it was at when the netbook went kerflooey. I went to the cafe today for the first time in two weeks and made a bit of a dent in it, and tomorrow I want to sit down and detail exactly what I want out of the damn finale. There's also brainstorming to do, as I want to attempt to spin out a story idea that doesn't die a painful death in committee, so to speak.

Did I mention that I watched I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant the other night when they had new episodes and it happened to one woman TWICE? I mean, okay, I'm willing to let it slide once, but once there's surprise-fetus! twice, maybe you need to take biology class again or at the very least put a childlock on that door to Narnia that's apparently tucked away where the other end of your vagina comes out. I think after the second time I'd just get security cameras put in for my own peace of mind.

Comments

[foenix.livejournal.com]

They've not given a reason, but Michael might be too powerful to just pop down and say hey, without melting Dean's brain and eyeballs.

Hmm.

Maybe it goes back to the fourth season premiere. Cas says some people can hear an angel's true voice without difficulty, and he thought Dean would be able to do so. Maybe now we know why he thought Dean should be able to hear angels without danger to himself?

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

See, that's what gets me, because Lucifer's borrowing Nick until he can get into Sam, so why can't Michael borrow someone until he can get into Dean? Or can he not just visit him in dreams as well?

And the thing about Dean not being able to hear an angel's true voice with difficulty bothers me now, because seriously, it doesn't make sense to me that he shouldn't be able to considering he's supposed to be Michael's vessel AND that Castiel hauled him out of hell and remade him. You'd think he could tweak that switch in Dean's head even if it hadn't worked previously. Maybe there's a reason he can't hear angelic voices other than, "Well, most people can't." Because Dean's not 'most people' any way you look at things.

(I am waaaay overthinking this and I don't even care. ;D)

[musesfool.livejournal.com]

Maybe he can only hear *Michael's* voice. And Michael ain't talking.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I could totally get behind that. :)

[onefishjyuufish.livejournal.com]

I might be misremembering, but wasn't it mentioned that Nick was kind of the second choice for Lucifer? Somehow I'd inferred that there's only a few people who can be vessels for a given angel, and even in that pool there's better candidates than others. Maybe there isn't a second choice for Michael, for whatever reason. And perhaps he needs a physical body before he can go dream-hopping.

My thought on Dean's angel-hearing is that of he and Sam, Dean is a "normal human" and that gives him strengths Sam doesn't have. Sam might have mental abilities Dean doesn't, but that could theoretically leave him open for other sorts of attacks.

And you thought you were overthinking this...

[risha]

Didn't Lucifer say that he's burning out poor Nick's mind because he's not strong enough to hold him properly? Maybe Michael's being nicer than him and not killing some random second choice.

[killerweasel.livejournal.com]

I don't think they've mentioned where Michael is. Unless he's in a vessel, he's kind of um... flittering about on angel wings somehwere, right?

[musesfool.livejournal.com]

they haven't mentioned where Michael is. I am kind of hoping he's off with God somewhere and has no idea Zachariah is wooing his vessel (and doing such a pisspoor job of it, too).

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Dude, if Michael's fucked off to play skeeball with God and doesn't know about Zachariah fucking with Dean, I know I say it a lot about stuff that might happen on this show, but I would piss myself laughing to see that.

[musesfool.livejournal.com]

Well, I have a soft spot for Michael, thanks to the Lucifer comics (among other things), so I hope he's not in on the Armageddon party (though I am not counting on it). I also kind of think there should be some Michael v. Lucifer sibling rivalry involved, where when Michael comes back he's all, "dude, you think hell was bad? I've been putting up with God for eons and he's all, 'what have I done? I miss Lucifer! He was always my favorite!'"

[myniamh.livejournal.com]

You know, the whole Lucifer and Michael being brothers thing has never ocured to me before.

[moonpupy.livejournal.com]

They're both playing Skeeball in New Jersey?

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I'm telling you, this show has me calling God John Doe Jersey instead of, you know, God for precisely that reason.

[sariah-w.livejournal.com]

I think it could be because Micheal can't find Dean. Zack only found him by using humans as spys because Cas burnt that stuff onto their ribs so they're hidden. It could also be because Dean can't hear the angels when they talk in there normal voices. Or maybe Micheal is that powerful he needs permission from his vessel before he can even come to earth so he needs someone else to ask for him. Hmmm there's so many possible reasons isn't there...

[chaneen.livejournal.com]

I think it could be because Micheal can't find Dean.

I was thinking the same thing, but then I remembered that Lucifer visited Sam in his dreams and asked him where he was hiding. Presumably, Lucifer and Michael are at approximately the same level of ability, so if Lucifer can contact Sam in his dreams, Michael should be able to contact Dean. So, there's got to be something else we don't know preventing Michael from contacting Dean.

[sariah-w.livejournal.com]

Very good point. There must be something more to it. Or maybe it's because Lucifer is using a vessel at the moment so he can contact Sam in his dreams because of that but Micheal has no vessel so he can't :)

[lisaofdoom.livejournal.com]

From just what we've seen so far, I think Norrington's in on causing the flash forwards and in the flash forward the wife had, he was calling whoever had the kids and -- from the sounds of the daughter's flash forward -- doing terrible things to them.

I don't think I like this theory, even though it sounds right. :(

[isabeau.livejournal.com]

I am entirely loving FF. ^_^

I can't imagine she wouldn't have known in her flash forward that he wasn't alive if he'd been murdered

They don't remember what they knew, only what they saw (and felt). So she may remember that something was is going to be up, but doesn't necessarily know what.

his wife is happily naked with Captain Norrington

(c'mon, who can blame her)

And I'm seriously confused about what the girl saw, because she got enough to both form an attachment with the other kid /and/ make Startlingly Perceptive Comments about plot stuff.

I'm just curious how they plan on carrying this off if it gets renewed for another season. Are we going to have flash forwards every season?

... dude. That would be awesome.

(And I suspect at least one "find and take out the Bad Guy [tm], only to have him laugh in their faces on the heels of another flash", though it'd get tiresome after a while if they kept that up for too long.)

Re SPN and Michael ... I'm kind of in the "Michael has buggered off somewhere" camp, because there is no reason why he couldn't talk to Dean otherwise. Hell, if Lucifer can talk to (and through) a random off-the-street dude, so could Michael.

(Maybe God and Michael are off writing Sam/Dean fanfic and just haven't noticed what their underlings are up to... >_>)

ETA I meant to add, I wonder if -- were Dean to say yes -- he would end up hosting Zach instead of Michael, since Zach's conveniently there and Michael conveniently isn't.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

They don't remember what they knew, only what they saw (and felt). So she may remember that something was is going to be up, but doesn't necessarily know what.

I know, but it just strikes me as weird that even if he wasn't in her flash forward, she wouldn't at the very least be feeling a strong sense of sadness if he'd been murdered only a month previous. You'd think no matter what you did a month after your husband is murdered (this is of course supposing that they do end up getting married), there'd be something around to remind you of that, even if it were just her feelings rather than anything overtly visible in her flash forward.

I'm kind of in the "Michael has buggered off somewhere" camp, because there is no reason why he couldn't talk to Dean otherwise. Hell, if Lucifer can talk to (and through) a random off-the-street dude, so could Michael.

Yeah, I'm wavering between the "Michael's buggered off somewhere" camp and the "Michael's already in Dean" camp. I just have a really hard time believing he's a full player in the "make Dean an angel condom" game considering he hasn't even shown up yet to introduce himself.

[wrenlet.livejournal.com]

Well, the lady who called him did say she knew it from reading an intelligence report, maybe he had to go... do something covert and FBIish and she doesn't know he's dead yet.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's the only thing I can think of that would make sense. Of course, we haven't heard her flash forward yet, or even met her, for that matter.

[dolimir-k.livejournal.com]

Have we gotten a reason why Michael isn't talking to Dean directly to get his permission to be Michael's vessel? 'Cause Castiel asked Jimmy, and Lucifer talked to Sam, and Dean ... Dean's had to deal with Zachariah, Snotty Maitre D' of the Gilded Cheeseburger Room.

My guess...and it's only speculation on my part...is the reason Michael isn't talking to Dean is because he is Michael, made flesh. Dean's agreeing to let Michael in will flip a switch, sort to speak. And the reason it has always 'had to been Sam' is because of Dean. Sam was chosen for Lucifer's vessel, because Dean is Michael.

Perhaps Michael is doing deep undercover doing recognizance work because he wants to understand mankind better. But now things have hit the fan and the angels are desperate to wake him up.

Whaddya think?

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's pretty much been my theory since the beginning, hence the question. ;)

[random-serious.livejournal.com]

o, yay, one more new show to add to my viewing list. (To replace Vampire Diaries, which I thought I would like but turned out to do nothing for me. Same for Eastwick.)

Actually, I felt the same way bout VD, but 104 really stepped up the game, na deastwick, well, Paul Gross! Don't you just love him? Doesn't everyone? (Ignore me, I've just gotten myself on a PG kick, again.)