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Sep. 22nd, 2008 02:05 pm
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Do you think Sarah Palin is qualified to serve as VP of the US?

It's at 52% yes, 47% no. Apparently there's an email campaign to tilt the poll towards yes. So, you know, take a sec and go vote.
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Date: 2008-09-22 06:26 pm (UTC)
newredshoes: possum, "How embarrassing!" (your stupid. show me it.)
From: [personal profile] newredshoes
Good lord.

Also, every time you use that icon I think it's Jensen. Is that wrong of me?

Date: 2008-09-22 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
HEE. Did you ever see Garth Marenghi's Darkplace? 'Cause if you haven't, it's totally worth watching and freaking hilarious. And there's whole episodes on Google Video. I keep meaning to rewatch it since there's only six episodes and there's AWESOME.

Date: 2008-09-22 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aliaspiral.livejournal.com
there arent enough options. Where is the "HELL NO, NOT EVEN IF SHE'S BEEN TOUCHED BY GOD. INAPPROPRIATELY.

so, i went with 'no.'

Date: 2008-09-22 06:52 pm (UTC)
newredshoes: possum, "How embarrassing!" (JENSEN YOUR FACE.)
From: [personal profile] newredshoes
Ooo, no I have not, but now I think I've got to. Victory arms for time-killers!

Date: 2008-09-22 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
It's like a riff on '80s sitcoms and sci-fi shows, with all of the bad dialogue and awful costumes and terrible special effects. I wish there'd been more of it. :)

Date: 2008-09-22 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] batgurl10.livejournal.com
I MAY be in the minority on ths one...
But, Im impressed by the fact that this is NOT another career politician!!!
Shes a working mom, with a wacky family (like most of us)
and you may not agree with a lot of her positions, but she has held herself in such a manner as to come across as smart, confident and strong!
I like that ... I think shell make a GREAT VP!
Go SARAH!

Date: 2008-09-22 07:05 pm (UTC)
kajivar: (Super Obama!)
From: [personal profile] kajivar
The poll has been hacked -- people on both sides are using scripts to up the votes into the millions, so unfortunately at this point individual votes mean nothing. :-/

Date: 2008-09-22 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
Yeah, I know. It doesn't hurt, though.

Date: 2008-09-22 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinylegacies.livejournal.com
you may not agree with a lot of her positions, but she has held herself in such a manner as to come across as smart, confident and strong!

Please tell you are being sarcastic.

PLEASE?

Because I don't agree with ANY of her positions and I don't care how smart, confident and strong she is coming across (though I would argue that the fact that they changed the rules for the VP debate because of her lack of debating experience indicates that she's really NOT that smart).

She is anti-woman. She's a liar. And plenty of Republicans have concerns about her.

Date: 2008-09-22 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
Coming across as smart, confident, and strong and actually BEING all of those things are two entirely different situations. I don't agree with any of her positions, but I wouldn't have agreed with, say, Condoleezza Rice's positions and I think she would have made an excellent VP choice. She's intelligent, knows the press well, obviously has political experience, and can express her opinions on positions without insulting those on the other side of the argument.

And seriously, supporting her because she's a mom is ridiculous. We're not voting her into Mom of the Year, we're voting for her for vice-president. That's like saying I should be mayor of my town because I can write really well. It has nothing to do with my ability to work well in a political arena. The VP candidate SHOULD be a career politician, damn it, because that's the job she's signing up for. "Her kids are cute" is NOT a viable argument for her to run the country.

Date: 2008-09-22 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] batgurl10.livejournal.com
well, guess we will have to agree to disagree....

One can argue that Obama has VERY little experience in everything except making himself sound more important...

Not sure how you quantify anti-woman? Is it because she is anti abortion? That makes her anti woman? Like I said, I was simply responding to your post---not wanting to start an argument on your LJ.

We will just have to wait until Nov4th and see what happens...

Date: 2008-09-22 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
One can argue that Obama has VERY little experience in everything except making himself sound more important...

Except three years as a senator and seven years as a state senator, which means he's been in politics a year longer than Sarah Palin, once you do the math. And if you want to argue that being a senator doesn't count, you might want to take a look at what your presidential nominee has been doing for the last twenty years.

Like I said, I was simply responding to your post---not wanting to start an argument on your LJ.

No offense, but what did you think was going to happen when you supported Palin in an LJ written by someone who clearly thinks she's detrimental to the future of the country?

Date: 2008-09-22 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] batgurl10.livejournal.com
And seriously, supporting her because she's a mom is ridiculous.

I NEVER said that I was supporting her because of that--I was simply stating a fact. She is a working mom--fact!

some of the best presidents have NOT been career politicians!

I know all Obama supporters have been given their marching orders over the weekend to be as loud and obnoxious as possible, but I say, we shall see on election day. As long as everyone votes, ultimately, thats what matters.

I wont keep responding as I dont want to be accused of trolling or whatever ---I just hope you can live with the fact that there are opposing viewpoints out there.
:-)

Date: 2008-09-22 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinylegacies.livejournal.com
She is anti-woman because when she was the Mayor of Wasilla, women were charged for their rape kits.

And she is against abortion even in the case of rape/incest. How would you feel if you were brutally attacked, raped and then forced to carry your attacker's child for nine months as a daily reminder of the trauma you suffered?

And this isn't my journal, it's my friend's but I felt the need to comment because saying that you're going to vote for McCain/Palin because she's spunky is ridiculous.

Obama may not have a lot of executive experience, but he certainly knows how to handle himself, better than McCain, according to some conservative Republicans.

I strongly implore you to educate yourself before the election.
Edited Date: 2008-09-22 07:26 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-09-22 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] batgurl10.livejournal.com
No offense, but what did you think was going to happen when you supported Palin in an LJ written by someone who clearly thinks she's detrimental to the future of the country?



You asked! If you dont want opposing viewpoints ? Then why bother polling about it? where not all mindless drones out here....

Date: 2008-09-22 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thexpuzzler.livejournal.com
In stats, there's this theory that if some poll with two options turns out roughly 50/50, the majority of all people who've voted have no idea what they're voting for and doing it randomly.

I always thought, personally, that a small over 50% lead makes you in no way the better leader or better person for the job. It's pure chance. But then again, I look at all the Americans not voting for Democrats and I think what are those people thinking? I mean, at least here in Germany, it's a 50/50 voting result because our two main parties basically have the same program and the differences are slim to none. Right now, they're just saying 'screw it' and leading the country together in a coalition. Not that things are much better in Germany but at least, we've got the basics like tolerance, health care and social system somewhat right. Looking at America these days, I just want to bash my head against the wall.
/rant
I'm sorry. I just get so frustrated every time a vote like the one above pops up. I just... I can't understand it. People here, even polls here turn out roughly 15% pro-McCain (and you can already guess the demographic stats for them - almost all those are well over 50 and rich white guys), while a good 80% is behind Obama so hard, you can hear the knuckles cracking. Acquaintances and friends of mine, hell, my professors are laughing (with desperation) at what's going on in the American state. It's... nobody here understands what's going on. We're just all shaking our heads begging for a miracle to happen that some people will find their common sense and change their vote to Obama. *sighs*

Date: 2008-09-22 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] batgurl10.livejournal.com
I strongly implore you to educate yourself before the election.

WOW--Your right! I guess a MASTERS in POLITICAL SCIENCE is not enough education. I must be STOOPID if im not voting Obama....

Date: 2008-09-22 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinylegacies.livejournal.com
I would like to know why you support McCain/Palin. What parts of their platform do you agree with? Give me some hard data and links and facts, not just "But she's a mom and that's cool".

And I'll repeat what I said in my above response to you. Please educate yourself on the issues before you vote in November.

Date: 2008-09-22 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinylegacies.livejournal.com
I did not say that. Nor did I imply that. Your statements lead me to believe that you are choosing your candidate based on superficial traits.

As I asked below, I am interested in hearing some solid reasons why you support this ticket.

Date: 2008-09-22 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
I NEVER said that I was supporting her because of that--I was simply stating a fact. She is a working mom--fact!

But why is it important that she's a working mom any more than McCain and Obama being working dads? Why does it have anything to do with her qualifications to be vice president?

some of the best presidents have NOT been career politicians!

Yes, that's true. But saying it as if it's a badge of honor that she's not is detrimental to her, especially considering that you can't say she's not a career politician and then expound on her vast experience in the next breath. And how exactly is she NOT a career politician when THAT'S her career? (Granted, I think she's terrible at her career. But I still think it's her career.)

know all Obama supporters have been given their marching orders over the weekend to be as loud and obnoxious as possible,

That's insulting and rude.

Date: 2008-09-22 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elyssadc.livejournal.com
some of the best presidents have NOT been career politicians!

Wait, WHAT?!?! If you mean they were career miltary, than ok. Being that they were used to LEADING THE ARMIES OF THE STRONGEST NATION ON EARTH. As opposed to spending their time ineptly trying to ban books and get people fired for personal reasons.

I just don't even know how to deal with what you're saying.

Date: 2008-09-22 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
When did I ask for an opinion? I offered up a link to a poll on another website for you to vote. I didn't even say you had to vote no.

Date: 2008-09-22 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] batgurl10.livejournal.com
This is getting ridiculous! Im over here compiling a factual response as to why the McCain/Palin ticket would be better than Obama, ((as I think its valid that you asked))
But to say you didnt ask for an opinion when you posted the link to the poll on your site, is inane.

Seriously, lets just agree to disagree! Peace!

Date: 2008-09-22 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
But to say you didnt ask for an opinion when you posted the link to the poll on your site, is inane.

No, it's not. It's posting a link. It's not, "Please tell me why you're voting the way you're voting, while you're at it."

Date: 2008-09-22 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] batgurl10.livejournal.com
Ok, then what is it?
Can we only respond to your comments if we agree with you? because if thats the way it is, I can abide by that...
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