Good morning. Or, BLAAAAAARGH.

[apocalypsos]

I just posted this elsewhere in the comments of a Doctor Who discussion post, and it really does make me wonder.

... in the woods.

I rewatched the first episode trying to figure out what he'd told her when she was seven (although I was still like, she was seven there? I thought she was older than that) and nothing really struck me as important. And then I wondered ... okay, you know how there was that shot in the first episode of Amelia waiting in the yard and smiling when she hears the TARDIS noise? And how that link I posted earlier in the week posited, what if that wasn't a dream like we thought at the time? What if it was some alternate Amelia being picked up by the Doctor? Well, what if this is some alternate Doctor who took Amelia, and he said something to that Amelia, and the point is that she's able to access THAT Amelia, and her memories? I mean, look at what he says to her:

Doctor: Remember what I told you when you were seven.
Amelia: What did you tell me?
Doctor: No, that's not the point.

The point is not for him to tell her, the point is for her to remember. If there's nothing important from her version of that night, maybe there's something important from Amelia's version of that night, and remembering that means realizing that there's more than one timeline going on and unlocking a key to the mystery.

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EDIT: And here's another interesting thing about that scene -- this other Doctor, the one who's not the current Doctor, came to Amy when she couldn't look at him. That's awfully fortuitous for a Doctor who's wearing a coat he just lost to the angels.

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See, that scene intrigues me. I know I said it has to be a future Eleven -- at the very least, that was most definitely not our current Eleven, who would have had to retrieve his coat and develop a sudden personality change -- but what if it's an alternate Eleven? We've got a world where Rory's issued a hospital badge in 1990 but carries a camera phone, a world full of cars released in the early nineties and before where Jeff uses a Myth laptop to video-conference. They're been doing a fine job so far of implying an alternate world going on, so why not an alternate Doctor?

Mostly, it makes me intrigued, because I have this vision of a universe where Eleven took Amelia with him, and that somewhere out there exists Amelia Pond, age: early-twenties, marital status: single and carefree, parent or guardian: the Doctor, place of residence: the TARDIS for the last fourteen years. As much as I love Amy Pond, that Amelia Pond would give me the happy in my pants SO FUCKING MUCH.

Of course, then I have to go and ruin it by mentioning I think she might be dead. It was something in the expression on Eleven's face after he kissed her forehead in the forest. Oh, don't be dead, awesome AU!Amelia Pond. *pouts*

Comments

[missyjack.livejournal.com]

oh i hadn't thought of the alternate Eleven idea - wow! and of an alternate Amy. (Pond...duck pond without duck... there's a clue there i know it).

i don't believe it but what if River was alternate future Amy?

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

what if River was alternate future Amy?

*ORGASMS FIFTEEN TIMES*

... I'm sorry, you said something?

[missyjack.livejournal.com]

LOL! glad you like it but i don't think we have any evidence for it!

*plays with fic idea though*

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Oh, we have absolutely no evidence for it. Doesn't stop me from wanting to have massive amounts of sex with that idea, though. :D

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Pond...duck pond without duck... there's a clue there i know it

Maybe a Pond who doesn't duck? Like, alternate Pond ducked and this one didn't? Ooo, or maybe a metaphor for how this version of Amelia grew into Amy because she didn't have wings to take flight because the Doctor showed up too late?

This entire season is fucking with our brains, honestly.

[missyjack.livejournal.com]

didn't the Doctor say something like"it has'nt got any ducks..so how do you know its a duck pond?" so maybe this relates to all the things Amy should remember but doesn't? idk!

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

That might be it, too. Oh, man, this season.

*head aches*

[titti]

I thought of an alternate Doctor when it became 'obvious' that River killed a Doctor. I mean she's not going to kill THE Doctor, and I doubt that they are planning plot that would go well into the next regeneration, so maybe she HAD to kill A Doctor so that there isn't some time displacement, whatever they are going to call it.

[seimaisin.livejournal.com]

I think this theory, right or wrong, is my new happy place. :) But, slightly aside, if young!Amy ends up going with an alternate Doctor - or if her waiting for him ends up being significant other than the fact that he didn't show - then BBC America is going to have some serious editing problems. I watched their version of the premiere last week, and they cut out right after the TARDIS left, before she went and filled her little suitcase or anything! Which was kind of a stupid editing move, because it doesn't give her reactions later as much impact.

[theliel.livejournal.com]

Or she killed the Master impersonating The Doctor. I mean, it's not like that isn't wide open.

Though I like how she's the second person to mention the Pandorum.

we can haz 7 doktors?

[trinity_clare]

I'm still perplexed by Rory's hospital badge, especially since in the most recent episode the Important Date was June 26, 2010.

[lothlorienbaby.livejournal.com]

Must go back and watch the episodes for the fiftieth time.

[theliel.livejournal.com]

well, we never found what happened to the granddaughter.....

but i like the cut of your jib, i'll have to re-watch time of angels.

[weaverandom.livejournal.com]

oh. oh my.

THIS THEORY IS MY NEW FAVOURITE THEORY.

[writerrising.livejournal.com]

I don't have much interest in watching right now, David Tenant is still THE doctor to me, but it's fun to hear the theories.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I will give Matt Smith credit -- for all that he's funny-looking and young, he's doing really well in the role. The first few episodes you could see hints of Ten, which you'd expect at first, and now he's really starting to come into his own as Eleven.

[writerrising.livejournal.com]

Yeah. I kind of think of it as..the doctor is still the same entity, just in a different body with different tastes and maybe something like...slightly different neural pathways? I mean he keeps the same memories, so he's still the same person after he regenerates, it just comes out in different ways.

[norabombay.livejournal.com]

All I know is that I am sucked into the saga of 11 and Amy the Awesome, and I had managed to avoid both 10 and 9 with impunity.

Want more nows.

[st-aurafina.livejournal.com]

Doctor: Remember what I told you when you were seven.
Amelia: What did you tell me?
Doctor: No, that's not the point.

Oh, dude. That's a time check - that's him checking which version of Amy he's talking to. I didn't notice that until you pointed it out.

THAT IS SO AWESOME! I love how twisted and time-travelly this season is working out to be.

[elsewards.livejournal.com]

If you rewatch The Eleventh Hour, you'll notice that as it's light outside and Amelia is waiting for the Doctor, you faintly hear the TARDIS noise as she looks up, smiling. What if the Doctor came back? What if he said something to her then, and that's what she's supposed to have remembered?

There are a lot of clocks in TEH, and based on the times showed there, someone's worked it out, it doesn't add up--we're missing scenes, and I think it's all very intentional. There's been a lot thematically about

a) notice what's wrong with this picture (Doctor-vision from the first ep, the little girl at the beginning of Beast Below)

b) people losing time (Liz 10) or being mistaken about time (the Doctor thinks he's gone for 5 minutes, is gone for years; Doctor shows up months late for Churchill)

c) the Doctor being flat-out wrong (almost killing the Starwhale, leading the clerics up to an ambush of angels, etc.)

d) "The-Doctor-in-the-TARDIS" (said by both Prisoner 0 and Angel Bob) as well as that conversation with Amy that said something like "I AM just a madman with a box; remember that, it might save your life one day." So much emphasis on the Doctor AND his TARDIS.

I think this is all very intentional... notice what's wrong with this picture... we're losing time and we don't know it... the Doctor is wrong... there's a Doctor-in-the-TARDIS and maybe another one running around without it?

My current theory is all his timey-wimey mistakes in TEH were not mistakes at all; that is, he really did come back in 5 minutes, except there's something wrong with Amy's timeline so that 5 minutes actually was years...

SO MANY THEORIES