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[apocalypsos]

I'm going to be on the bus during much of the debate, and it's not like I have a TV anyway, so if anybody wants to comment in this post to say, "WTF?! What did Dubya/Kerry just say?!", that'd be nice. And, I imagine, pretty cathartic. :)

Comments

[blackgarden.livejournal.com]

While Kerry was answering the first question, Bush's face went tomato red. He looked really irritated.

"Freedom is on the march!" Sure.

[blackgarden.livejournal.com]

Bush: "I want to promote a culture of LIFE. My opponent is anti-babies."

Okay well, he did say the first line.

He keeps chuckling and smirking, and sneering whenever Kerry skewers him.

[mystic-savage.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the "culture of life" thing threw me. Sounds great, doesn't it?

[blackgarden.livejournal.com]

Nobody likes a culture of life. Kids these days want death and despair. When Kerry wins, we'll be flinging aborted babies from the windows like tickertape!

... I went too far, didn't I? Damn.

[laurelin-kit.livejournal.com]

Re: War on Iraq

Bush: It's not a war about intelligence, it's about using EVERY ASSET AT OUR DISPOSAL!
Me: BUT IT DOESN'T COUNT IF YOU USE THEM STUPIDLY! AAAAAAAAAAAUGGGHHHH!

[siegeofangels.livejournal.com]

Kerry's KILLING him. Bush won't stay on topic and keeps doing that sniggering thing, like he thinks if he's sarcastic to Kerry we'll like him; Kerry sounds like a grownup. I'm so glad I'm listening to it on NPR; if I had to watch this I might scream.

[siegeofangels.livejournal.com]

Moderator: "Is homosexuality a choice?"
Bush: "I don't know. Tolerance blah blah protect the sanctity of marriage. We want everyone involved in the process of defining this, not just a judge."
Kerry: "We're all God's children. It's not a choice. Marriage is between a man and a woman, but you can't discriminate."

Mod: Is pro-choice right?
Kerry: I can't impose my own beliefs on other people, even though I think abortion is wrong.
Bush: All lives should be protected. We should have a law to reduce the number of abortions. I'm going to talk about a bunch of things that I think would reduce the number of abortions, but not mention outlawing abortion.

Me? Biased? Noooo.

Again: Kerry=grownup. Bush=eight-year-old Beavis.

[dorothywwom.livejournal.com]

If Bush wants to decrease the number of abortions why doesn't he encourage more effective birth control education?

[cyprinella]

Because that would take logic that the maggot doesn't possess.

[lots42.livejournal.com]

What -would- be more effective?

[lots42.livejournal.com]

Kerry said 'We're all God's children'? I thought Bush was supposed to be the slavering Jesus freak, based on Bush mentioning God.

[wufeidragon.livejournal.com]

Bush's policy, as he has said himself, is influenced by his religion. I don't mind if an individual says, "God bless America" or "We're all God's children" because that's the expression of a personal belief that is not directly effecting the lives of millions of people. What is unacceptable is when the separation of church and state is being blurred. Kerry has implicitly stated that he won't let that happen.

[siegeofangels.livejournal.com]

Kerry: "I'm tired of politicians who talk about family values but don't value families."

. . . you were just WAITING to work that in there, weren'cha? And we were talking about minimum wage, too . . .

Oh, and Bush manages to talk about the No Child Left Behind Act during an ostensible question on minimum wage. You know what I learned in school? To answer the question that was asked.

[lots42.livejournal.com]

I hate that phrase 'family values'. It means whatever the ding-dong hell the Skull And Bones alumni mouthing it wants it to mean

[dorothywwom.livejournal.com]

How come Bush wants to stop government control of health care unless it involves deciding if a woman is allowed an abortion or a person wants to be allowed to die?

[tenebris.livejournal.com]

Bush: Our health care is the envy of the world.

Really? It is? I missed that. I thought Canada and Sweden had enviable health care plans...

Also, Bush blah blah blah reduce abortions blah blah NEVER TALKS ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL PROGRAMS. No. Abstinence programs are what he encourages, as if those solve...everything.

[trishalynn.livejournal.com]

DUDE! I was yelling, "What about Canada????" Oh, that's right. They're making drugs that can kill us, so that's why we won't support them.

[lots42.livejournal.com]

Sweden, maybe. Canada, possibly. If you can actually -get- to see a Canadian doctor.

Canadian doctor appts. are more rare then an honest politican.

[dorothywwom.livejournal.com]

Why do they only talk about the southern boarder?

[callmesyd.livejournal.com]

Who in their right mind would leave Canada in order to come to the US? Canada is much shinier, and pine scented!

[lots42.livejournal.com]

Americans go to Canada to get cheap drugs.

Canadians come to America to get doc visits.

[whitetower.livejournal.com]

Minimum wage.

Kerry: We need to raise the minimun wage and I will do that. Over the next few years, millions of families will be better off. The Republican Party refuses to even vote on this issue.

Bush: Minimum wage ... uh ... education! We need to educate better people. I mean, people better! Yeah!

[dorothywwom.livejournal.com]

If he wants to educate children better than why did Head Start get cut?

[lots42.livejournal.com]

I don't get it. Better educated children have a better chance at getting jobs. Raising the minimum wage is just a cheap and effective way to purchase votes.

[roguewords.livejournal.com]

Raising minimum wage means that people have more money to spend, which means a better economy.

Raising minimum wage means that people who are homeless or live in their cars, cheap motels, etc, can afford to spend the money on rent.

Raising minimum wage would mean that I wouldn't have to chose between eating real food and buying books for school.

Better educated students getting higher paying jobs, if they can afford to go to college. Raising minimum wage means that maybe their parents can afford to set aside some money so those kids can go to college without having loans out the wazoo.

[illmantrim.livejournal.com]

Bush mentioned tolerance and sanctity of marraige at the same time in the same sentence... I think the apocalypse is due any moment...

[dorothywwom.livejournal.com]

Separation of Church and State!

Hello??

Didn't Bush have to take civics in college?

[kassandra05.livejournal.com]

Bush: "I believe that god wants all people to be free."

Sure you do Mr. Bush. They just shouldn't expect to have equal rights.

[dorothywwom.livejournal.com]

Yes, we were divided in 2000. But there were more of us against Bush.

[tinylegacies.livejournal.com]

I think that if you've been the president for 4 years you should have programs in place to discuss in debates - not programs you're developing or are going to put into effect.

Best line of the night was Kerry in response to the "Is homosexuality a choice?" question that was asked of Bush. He said "We are all God's children. I'm sure that if you ask Dick Cheney's daughter... she's a lesbian... she will tell you that she is being the person she was born to be..."

[hemlock-martini.livejournal.com]

BUSH JUST TAGGED CHENEY

NOW CHENEY'S IN THE CROWD AND KERRY'S GOING AFTER HIM

OH MY GOD CHENEY JUST CLOBBERED KERRY WITH A FOLDING CHAIR

WHY'D YOU DO IT DICK, WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

Okay, so I'm not watching the debates, I'm watching the Cards/Astros game. But this is more fun.

[milkshake-b.livejournal.com]

Damn you. For a moment you gave me hope.

[lots42.livejournal.com]

Well, hell, it's not like Edward will be there to back Kerry up, seeing as how Edward would rather kill himself then spend ninety minutes on a stage with Bush.

(Seriously! Edward said that! He even made a little pistol to the head motion!)

[lamiael.livejournal.com]

Good freaking God.

I love that man more than I can even say right now. XD

[fyrdrakken]

You know, considering someone pointed out the odds of assassination attempts whatever happens, and I figured I don't care if someone takes out Kerry because shooting him won't exactly put the Shrub back into the White House -- suddenly, I'm really optimistic...

[wonderlander.livejournal.com]

oh my god, your Icon! *love*

[fyrdrakken]

Thanks! It and this one were made by khakigrrl.

[lots42.livejournal.com]

Thank you for implying that Kerry has the capabillity to fuck up. It restores my faith in LiveJournal.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

They both have the capacity for fuck-ups. (Though admittedly Bush has the capacity for more, because he might be more charismatic, but he still makes himself look bad with the words and phrases he uses.) That's half the fun. :)

Extracted from my LJ entry for today

[celestialfairi.livejournal.com]

(Watching with a small group in the dorms)

After Kerry's speech involving his personal religious views in contrast to presidential duties, everyone watching simultaneously said, "nice" or "awesome..." Dude next to me emphasized with a further, "That was 2 minutes well spent."

Did anybody notice Bush's evil cackle? It caught us ALL off guard. We were like, what was THAT?

Kerry: "The only reason the number of Pell grants went up is because more people are poor and therefore qualify!"
Us: "Ouch..."

Bush: "There are more minority homeowners now than ever before!"
Me: "That's because there are more minorities here than ever before."
Dude next to me: "They're coming in 8000 at a time!"



If there was any criticism of Kerry, however, it would be that he pushed the rich people tax cut thing a little bit far. He stretched it a bit, although not as much as Bush and his education crap.

Oh yeah, and that comment Bush made?! "Kids whose parents don't speak English are just being shuffled through the education system without learning anything!"
Oh. Dear. What kind of a statement is that?! Just because your MOM doesn't speak English, that means that you can't either? "I'm uneducated because my PARENTS are uneducated." What a stupid generalization. Almost every second generation child speaks English much better than their parents. Just because a parent doesn't speak English doesn't mean a kid doesn't or won't ever be able to learn because having foreign parents is a DISABILITY. Why didn't all the stupid Englishmen just come so many years ago and learn the Native American speech?! Does that mean they're uneducated, because they don't know the native language? What kind of horrible generalization is that?

*fumes*

Re: Extracted from my LJ entry for today

[silent-sybil.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah, and that comment Bush made?! "Kids whose parents don't speak English are just being shuffled through the education system without learning anything!"

You know, I think it was actually "Kids whose parents won't speak English," which is even more outrageously fucked up. I was listening in the car as I drove home for Fall Break, and I kept screaming curse words at the radio, in a way that made me really happy I didn't have a passenger...

[shadowcat]

First, trollprincess?, I love you. :)

KERRY: Being lectured by the president on fiscal responsibility is a little bit like Tony Soprano talking to me about law and order in this country.

My boyfriend and I looked at each other and started laughing.

However, something said later got me a little steamed:

They were talking about minmimum wage, employment and money.

KERRY: We also need to hold on to equal pay. Women work for 76 cents on the dollar for the same work that men do.

BUSH: But let me talk about what's really important for the worker you're referring to, and that's to make sure the education system works, it's to make sure we raise standards.

Me: Wha?!! *fumes*
Boyfriend: Sweetie, he just said that you don't make as much as men do because you're dumb and don't meet the standards.

I was pissed because instead of answering the question he did what he has been doing, changes direction and goes off on something else.

[isabeau.livejournal.com]

Me: Wha?!! *fumes*
Boyfriend: Sweetie, he just said that you don't make as much as men do because you're dumb and don't meet the standards.

*snicker*

Yeah; Bush seemed to use education as a solution for everything. (Like, say, losing your job because it was outsourced overseas? not a problem, because now you have time to go to community college! or something like that.) About the same place you did, I had a Revelation: obviously, the reason I don't have a job is because I need to go to community college. (A bachelor's degree from Stanford isn't good enough, y'know. Me is stoopid without teh comunawhatist collage.)