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[apocalypsos]

I need to vent about the Golden Globes.

Look, I love Johnny Depp. But I'm going to say this here and now.

Johnny Depp was not robbed. Johnny Depp was probably not going to win, no matter how talented he is or how pretty he is.

I know you don't like Leonardo DiCaprio. Hell, I don't like Angelina Jolie, but I can admit that she's a good actress. I know he got annoying after Titanic. Everybody got annoying after Titanic. That doesn't stop any of them from being good actors. Does he look like he's twelve? Yes. I look like I'm eighteen. At least I don't need my looks to write, but neither does Leonardo. That's why it's called acting. You can look like you're twelve and still act like an adult. That's the point.

As for Johnny ... right. Johnny wasn't robbed this year. Johnny was robbed LAST year. In retrospect, Johnny Depp deserved any accolade he didn't get and every one he did for that role. This year, he's nominated for playing a very subdued role against four men who were nominated for portraying characters dealing with very complex issues. Tell me which one of these things is not like the others: Genocide. Euthanasia. Mental illness. Sexual education. Writer's block.

Hollywood likes roles with heft. They like it when you play physically, emotionally or mentally distressed to extremes. You're insane. You're dying. You're being threatened. You're violent. Out of the five nominees tonight, only Liam Neeson possibly played a less stressful role. Possibly.

And he's not going to be robbed at the Oscars, either. My guess is that he's going to be up against Leonardo DiCaprio, Jamie Foxx, Paul Giamatti, and Javier Bardem, and in that field, he's the longshot. (Actually, in that field, anybody who's not Jamie Foxx is the longshot, but whatever.)

If Johnny had won tonight, it would have been because Hollywood likes him (a lousy way to win), he was getting it for his body of work (just as lousy), or because he won a few Best Actor awards before all of the other nominees had their films released.

I just ... just ... GAH.

*headwall*

EDIT: Having looked over the sneak reviews for The Libertine, I'm guessing Johnny will get nominated for that one next year, and with the raves they're giving his performance (if not, in some instances, the movie itself), he appears to have a much better shot in 2006.

Comments

A second your rant and raise you a "guess what"

[phillyexpat.livejournal.com]

I couldn't agree with you more. I am the first person to hail Depp as brilliant, but the acting field was phenomenal this year. Having seen all but The Sea Inside (but being familiar with Vardem's work), I can tell you that all of the actors in drama were deserving of accolade. DiCaprio was extremely good at playing Howard Hughes. It was an incredibly difficult role and he played it damn well.

Johnny Depp will continue to be a great actor playing great roles. And, eventually, he will certainly get his due. Sean Penn finally got his. And look how damn long it took for Al Pacino to win an award, for god's sake. And don't get me started on poor neglected Bill Murray (though I have to go with Penn for last year's simmering rage).

People need to realize that for actors like DiCaprio, Neeson, Cheadle, Bardem, and especially Depp, that these awards mean shit to them. They are so talented that they not only have their choice of projects, they don't care how much money they're offered to make them. They're true artists-they don't need the cache of an award to raise their asking price or to get them cast. Don't worry about Johnny. He'll do just fine.

[irradiatedsoup.livejournal.com]

Boo, you whore! *sets fire to Leonardo effigy*

(This is said with complete love, and complete bias, but hey, I admit that :P)

Look I don't think he'll even be nominated for an Oscar. He was robbed last year which was why I was disappointed he lost again this year. Though, I'm not sure I like the assumption that his role was less than because he wasn't playing a blind man/sexual deviant/dictator/pirate/aviator. That such a cliche "play someone with mental illness or someone who is dead or have a fake chin/noseplant and you're bound to get an Oscar!" I think he played Barrie subtley, but not subdued. Bah, again. Dreadfully Biased.

Re: A second your rant and raise you a "guess what"

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

If Johnny cared at all about winning an award, he'd have done more of the mainstream stuff we've been seeing Tom Hanks and Tom Cruise in for years. Instead, he's been doing the quirky stuff he's been meant to do for his entire career. I would be content for him never to win an award if it meant he continued to do roles he loved rather than roles that might win him an award. *coughcoughJimCarreycoughcough*

Re: A second your rant and raise you a "guess what"

[phillyexpat.livejournal.com]

LOL-I actually like it when Jim Carrey does "dramatic" roles. He needs a good director to rein him in, however, as Peter Weir did in The Truman Show. So Peter Weir deserved the nod for coaxing the performance out of Carrey.

Depp truly is the master of his own domain-even in shit like Secret Window, he's amazing.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

That's the problem with the Oscars. Of course, with that problem, why should he even want to win one? When they call it a popularity contest, that's exactly what it is. (I still think he'll get nominated, at least. Leo and Jamie are locks, I really think Paul Giamatti's going to get nominated, and I like Javier's chances, but every Oscar article I've seen has guessed him as a lock for a nomination. At this point, I'd be surprised if he didn't get nominated.)

He doesn't seem to want any awards, to be honest, and good for him. I mean, look at the man. He doesn't care as long as he gets to keep doing what he's doing. Heck, his fans want him to have an Oscar more than he does. Not that he wouldn't like one, I imagine -- just that, like the rest of the nominees tonight, he doesn't need one. Remember, you and I both have as many Best Director Oscars as Scorcese, but that doesn't make him a bad director, the same way that Johnny could never win an Oscar and still be one of the greatest actors of our generation. (Truth be told, the man has five Golden Globe nominations and an Oscar nomination under his belt so far. The guy's got a consistent track record of roles worth nominating since 1991. How many other actors are there in Hollywood who've had consistently wonderful film roles for fourteen straight years?)

And if we're talking about people getting robbed, Leo was robbed for What's Eating Gilbert Grape, which he lost to Tommy Lee Jones for The Fugitive. There are a loooooong list of actors in Hollywood who are owed awards.

Re: A second your rant and raise you a "guess what"

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Oh, don't get me wrong. When Jim Carrey does dramatic, he can be wonderful. (Of course, if he could stop acting like a spazz every time a regular camera turns on him, that might be nice.) His problem is that the way he takes dramatic roles, he makes it look as if he's working for an Oscar. Eternal Sunshine was a really good example of what looked like the performance of someone who'd been pulled aside by the director and told, "If you give me an 'Oscar scene', I'm going to have to kill you."

Johnny, meanwhile, doesn't take Oscar roles, he makes average roles into Oscar-worthy material, Jack Sparrow being the prime example. That's a good reason why no one should worry about his Oscar chances this year. He's forty-one years old and has five Golden Globe nominations and an Oscar nomination (and a good chance at his second this year). He'll get one eventually, no worries.

Re: A second your rant and raise you a "guess what"

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Also, it's not like either one of them can beat Jamie Foxx for the Oscar anyway, because I've seen all three performances and ... yeah, not a chance. They might as well just engrave 'Jamie Foxx' on the Oscar right now. And sweet Jesus, does he deserve it.

[irradiatedsoup.livejournal.com]

(Truth be told, the man has five Golden Globe nominations and an Oscar nomination under his belt so far. The guy's got a consistent track record of roles worth nominating since 1991. How many other actors are there in Hollywood who've had consistently wonderful film roles for fourteen straight years?)


Oh God. Tell me about it, whenever I think I'm getting too serious about the Oscars Globes et al, I remind myself of the fact that after over half of my life of him playing quirky, wonderful, brilliant roles, Johnny Depp was nominated for the Disney Film.

I think that is what it is, where the fan frustration comes from, after all these years I think the fans just want a little recognition for him. I am certain it doesn't mean that much to him, but I don't think it wold mean nothing to him either. And not just for Jack, or Barrie, but for all of it. Then again, as you said it is a popularity contest. A profoundly irritating one that carries far too much weight. Case in point; Julia Roberts in a push up bra for Erin Brokovich. You Are A Winner!

Leonardo was brilliant in Gilbert Grape. I'll admit that and use my appropriate icon as further emphasis. :P

[hannahrorlove.livejournal.com]

Rants like this are why I love reading your posts; you're an intelligent, well-spoken person who knows what she's talking about.

Cary Grant just got an honorary (read: apologetic) Oscar. It wouldn't matter if Depp didn't even get that. He's wonderful at what he does, and an award isn't necessary to remind anyone of that.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

And like I said, neither of them will win the Oscar anyway. That's pretty much Jamie Foxx's to lose at this point, and considering the support his fellow actors showed today, I think he doesn't have to worry.

Not to mention Johnny's performance was lovely, but Leo's performance was simply better. I've seen all three performances and I love all three actors, but if I have to rate them according to quality, it's Jamie, then Leo, and then Johnny.

[irradiatedsoup.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen Jamie or Leonardo's performances, but I'm sure they're very good, and from what I've heard Mr Foxx is a shoe-in. I felt like the Neverland Nom was more of a ...consolation thing. I'm really just selfish, I want Johnny on the podium one day just purely because he's Johnny and I'd be amused, and wow, I sure do talk alot of crap. Anyway, I'll wait for POTC 2 and 3 before I start ranting again. Or Willy Wonka. Or the Libertine. See there is always a veritable smorgasboard of Johnny for me to wax lyrical, and inevitabley bitch about in the end. :P

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I'm betting he'll get nominated for The Libertine next year. The reviews from the Toronto Film Festival look promising, for his performance if not the movie.

Leonardo's performance in The Aviator is one of those acting jobs where for most of us, we don't know what Howard Hughes was like, especially during that time he went batshit fucking insane in his viewing room, but Leo really does bring him to life in eerie detail. He's an enthusiastic Hughes, and you want to see him do as well as his grandiose ideas will allow him, but at the same time there's this great sense of pity because before it all goes downhill for Hughes, you can see that he knows there's something wrong with him and he just doesn't know what to do about it.

The thing is that on the other hand, you have Jamie Foxx, who's playing someone we all know whom he bears a decent resemblance to. From the first moment onward in that movie, he's not "Jamie Foxx playing Ray Charles", he IS Ray Charles. There's a moment later on in the movie towards the end where he takes off his sunglasses, and personally, I wasn't suddenly jolted out of the movie into thinking, "Hi, Jamie!" I was carried over from the rest of the movie into still believing I was seeing Ray Charles.

[secretbutterfly.livejournal.com]

Exactly. (Although Finding Neverland did deal with more than jsut writer's block but that's neither here nor there with the point you're trying to make...)

[secretbutterfly.livejournal.com]

Exactly!!

[hawklaw.livejournal.com]

Having seen all the movies in question, I have to agree with you. I love Johnny, and he always gives excellent performances, but Leonardo deserved it richly. Of course, I think my husband summed it up best as we walked out of The Aviator when he said "Holy Hell! I hated Titanic so much, I forgot DiCaprio can really act!"

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I know. Sheesh, I had someone somewhere else say Leonardo shouldn't have beaten Johnny because he made The Beach and Gangs of New York. Yeah, and Johnny made a Nightmare on Elm Street, The Ninth Gate and The Astronaut's Wife. Try another argument. *grrrr*

And really, no one should be picking on Leo for The Beach right now considering he just gave the inhabitants a million dollars to rebuild after the tsunami, 'cause that's just tacky.

[shinga.livejournal.com]

... Leo was in recent stuff?

I'm very much out of the loop, aren't I? o___O

And hey, look at that, I'm not the only one who doesn't care for Angelina Jolie. Woot.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Yup, he was in The Aviator. And it's seriously good and he's great in it, so if you get a chance, I can't pimp it more. :)

My thing with Angelina Jolie is that I like her as a person, I think she's a gorgeous, talented actress, but I can't stand to watch anything she's in. I watched Tomb Raider for the first time a few weeks back and just ... meh.

[rpp.livejournal.com]

*waves tiny "Go Leo!" flag*

I adore Johnny, but I'm with you on this one. I wish people would just get over Titanic already.

Re: A second your rant and raise you a "guess what"

[dorei.livejournal.com]

And years from now, he may get that lifetime achievement award or whatever they'll be calling it at that time.

[sabra-n.livejournal.com]

I actually wasn't terribly impressed by DiCaprio's performance until the second half of the film. Either Cate Blanchett was just blowing him off the screen or it took me a while to get accustomed to what he was doing; I don't know. But I'm really tired of this blind worship of Johnny Depp, and the utter conviction of so many people that he must win anything he's nominated for no matter what. Is he good? Yes. Is he God? Not the last time I checked. So thanks for that entry.

-blue

[callmesyd.livejournal.com]

What you said, on Angie. Although watching Girl, Interrupted can be a lot of fun, if only to watch her be a craaaaazy li'l sociopath. :>

[jedusor.livejournal.com]

Leo was robbed for What's Eating Gilbert Grape

Definitely. That was an absolutely beautiful movie, and it wouldn't have been nearly as good if the role of Arnie had been played wrong.

[the-swordman.livejournal.com]

Love your icon (and the one above)
When I saw this scene I thought it would make a wonderful icon.

That was my useless comment of the day :)

[secretbutterfly.livejournal.com]

Heh, thanks. :-) aina42 made the eternal sunshine one and the KEvin Smith one was made by dead_icons specifically for me. Cause I <3 him. *nods*
And that was my useless response. :-D