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[apocalypsos]

You know what really pisses me off about the whole Napoli thing on a personal level? (And not just the offensiveness of the whole quote, because really anybody with common sense should be disgusted by it.)

It's that that may be the first time I've ever been given the impression I'm not a good ENOUGH virgin.

How is that even fucking possible?

And what really, REALLY pisses me off about that whole thing is that as a virgin, even in the situation cited, I would still not have an abortion. I'm pro-choice for everybody else, but I would never have an abortion unless my life was in danger or the fetus wasn't viable. I might not keep it in a situation like that -- I'd have to do a LOT of soul-searching -- but I'd still have it. I just couldn't bring myself to do it if it were me.

And yet, still not a good enough virgin.

Fuck you, Napoli. Fuck you hardcore.

EDIT: And for the Google-bomb, Bill Napoli.

Comments

[justitia.livejournal.com]

Um, huh?

I'm not sure if it's because I'm British or if I'm missing something, but, huh?

[auguris]

BILL NAPOLI: A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life.

[auguris]

Er, and here's what prompted his little speech (sorry for the comment spam)

FRED DE SAM LAZARO: Napoli says most abortions are performed for what he calls "convenience." He insists that exceptions can be made for rape or incest under the provision that protects the mother's life. I asked him for a scenario in which an exception may be invoked.

[justitia.livejournal.com]

Okay, this guy just keeps pissing me off.

I think it's safe to say I've never been happier to be British. For once.

[saturnalia.livejournal.com]

Oh, I am so with you there. *waves British flag vaguely*

[themikado.livejournal.com]

Yay for vague patrotism!

*goes to have tea*

[justitia.livejournal.com]

Also, thanks for the info and sorry for the comment spam.

[justitia.livejournal.com]

Well, okay.

I have no words. Rage, but no words.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Check it out here. This state senator from South Dakota has a definition of who deserves an abortion that's beyond ridiculous.

[justitia.livejournal.com]

Well that's... fucking ridiculous.

Excuse my language.

[palmetto.livejournal.com]

Just a tiny nitpick on something, but it's something that bothers me when people say it. It's not that you're pro-choice for everyone else but you. You are pro-choice. Your choice just happens to be that you wouldn't have an abortion.

I know, it seems like semantics, but I personally think that the distinction needs to be made.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Well, yeah, that's true.

[aberrantangels]

Seconded. You are pro-choice, T-Prin; you've announced your choice and your willingness to let others make theirs.

[florahart]

...what the fuck, man.

I'm right there with you, as far as what I think about my own response (given I have two kids, you can safely surmise I won't be in that exact sitch, but in principle), and yeah, hi, my trauma upon being raped, were I to be, is NOT LESS ...VALUABLE.

What a fuckhead.

It's probably unconstructive to offer him a demonstration of what non-pregnancy-causing unwanted sodomy would be like, isn't it? Thought so.

[siberian-skys.livejournal.com]

Now I know who you're talking about. It didn't click at first. It's an old feminist cliche, but really it's so true. If men could get pregnant this wouldn't even be an issue. (That's the polite version.)

It still blows my mind that members of the gender that don't have a vagina think they get an opinion on when an abortion is appropriate.

[ladysorka]

I got that exact same impression, and good lord, wtf. I was almost tempted to drop him a note saying "Dude. I'm a 23 year-old virgin, but I'm not Christian. Is my virginity not sacrosanct enough for you?" But, uh, then I would've gotten into everything else and decided that the better part of valour would be to keep my mouth shut.

But... what the fuck.

[milkshake-b.livejournal.com]

I suspect he's one of those people who think you can't be a virgin and non-religious, because everyone knows as soon as you give up consistent religion your morals go to hell and you go right out and get laid even if you have to have sex with a goat to do it.

Also, I am contemplating starting a Virgin Smut Writers Guild. >.>

[callie-chan.livejournal.com]

I'd join!

[slashfairy.livejournal.com]

and again i bless you for making such a succinct post of such a disgusting idiot's viciousness. linking, and posting myself. March is Women's History Month by the way, folks.

[ladyshadowphyre.livejournal.com]

This is why I don't listen to idiots like that. The utter shit they spout off just makes me want to kill things and throw people.

...Or something like that.

Besides, the entire question is circumstantial, anyway. You never truly know what you'd do in a certain situation until you're in it, and I think it's reasonably safe to say that if a woman is pregnant then she's not a virgin*.

*If she is, then she wants the baby anyway and is the least likely to have an abortion.

Okay, enough on that. I'm going to go write ficlets to get my mood back up. ~hands you her flame-thrower in case you want to use that Napoli arsehole for target practice~

[milkshake-b.livejournal.com]

This is why I don't listen to idiots like that.

Unfortunately, as they're making the laws, ignoring them does not make them go away.

[ladyshadowphyre.livejournal.com]

Point. Of course, that's also about when I start advocating abstinence and fleeing the country. Not necessarily in that order.

[scottique.livejournal.com]

I just added a link to the Google Bomb to Bill Napoli's article in the Wikipedia. No idea whether somebody will edit it out in ten minutes, but yeah. People do read Wikipedia and will click that shit.

(Explanation of my user icon: a photograph of a chalked sidewalk reading "Abortion Is for Emo Kids." A couple years ago, I went to a pro-choice rally, and there was a counter-rally going on, and somebody had written chalk slogans with things like "Jesus hates aborters" and "Baby-killers go to hell." However, "Abortion is for Emo Kids" totally took the cake. Those stupid emo kids, with their Dashboard Confessional and their nerdy-chic glasses and their ABORTIONS.)

[prairiedaun.livejournal.com]

Oh man! I knew there was something I'd forgotten to take care of.

CDs- check
wrist cuff- check
messenger bag- check
abortion-...damn!

[scottique.livejournal.com]

I think as long as your messenger bag is super-emo AND your wrist cuffs are pseudo-vintage but actually from Hot Topic, you can get away with just using the morning-after pill.

[prairiedaun.livejournal.com]

Alas, there is no Hot Topic in Manitoba. Keep it secret, but I bought my wrist cuff at Claire's (the last black/white one too, all the rest were black/hot pink).

I fail at "emo".

I'm sure this has been said elsewhere, but I need to say it:

[chris-walsh.livejournal.com]

And even imagining as horrific an event as what he concocts ever actually happens...do you get ANY sense that this man would care about the damage done to the girl? At all?

Deranged. It's deranged.

I don't want to live in his little world.

Okay; I'll stop before I get incoherent.

Re: I'm sure this has been said elsewhere, but I need to say it:

[cyprinella]

I got more of a sense that that was one of his masterbatory fantasies, honestly.

Re: I'm sure this has been said elsewhere, but I need to say it:

[anne-jumps.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's what people have said at every blog where I've read this. "Hasn't he been thinking about this a little too much?"

[ephemerall.livejournal.com]

Seriously, dude, I completely agree with you. He's a cock ramming fuck.

[vass]

It's that that may be the first time I've ever been given the impression I'm not a good ENOUGH virgin.

I'm another not good enough virgin, and it doesn't feel very nice.

I don't know if I'd have the abortion in that situation - in theory I would, since I don't want to be a mother, but I just can't tell. I'd consider it. But I respect your choice too... and if I thought Napoli did, that he was out there in the front lines *helping* pregnant women who *refused* abortions, I'd have a lot more respect for him.

What do you bet the virgin's skin colour would make a difference to him? Or her shape and size? If she met all his fucked-up criteria, was raped exactly 'bad enough' to satisfy him (I use the word 'satisfy' intentionally) but didn't meet his fantasy picture, would he consider her worthy of the privilege of an abortion?

[crevette.livejournal.com]

A friend of mine was raped by one of the crew while she was vacationing on a cruise ship. When reported to the Captain, he said, "What? She's got three kids. It's not like she hasn't been fucked before".

IN FRONT OF HER.

I wonder if he was related to this douchewad.

[astaria51.livejournal.com]

O_O O_O O_O O_O

....do you happen to have the name of the cruise ship and its ports of call so I can bash their heads in with a stick?

[callie-chan.livejournal.com]

I think I just broke my jaw on the carpet.

[squee1123.livejournal.com]

I would still not have an abortion. I'm pro-choice for everybody else, but I would never have an abortion unless my life was in danger or the fetus wasn't viable.

I feel the exact same way...and when I read that quote...my mouth just hung open in disgust. People really do get on my nerves.

[astaria51.livejournal.com]

Hey! Hey! I have sex with girls! Who I can't marry, much less save myself for!

So, am I by default deserving of pregnancy-inducing sodomizing rape because of my awful gay family-destroying fornication, or am I just a not good enough virgin because it's not real sex...

...you stupid bastard?

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

No, no, you're deserving of rape because you're not one step away from joining a convent, just like the rest of us. *nods solemnly, like the bad virgin I am*

[honorh.livejournal.com]

Yes. Join the guild, and you might qualify.

It really riles me that this person would conjure the image of this sacrosanct Virgin-with-a-capital-V for his happy little scenario. 'Cause, y'know, a *slut* would just bounce right back and be all okee-dokey!

Man needs to shut his mouth before his foot gets wedged any tighter.

[lots42.livejournal.com]

I predict (hope) that inside of three months, Napoli will retire for 'personal' reasons. Goverments let a lot slide, including Teddy Kennedy, but they don't really like gibbering insanity.