SCORE.

[apocalypsos]

Oh, thank GOD. Yeah, it wasn't like Supernatural being renewed was all THAT much in question, but ... you know, every time I love a show to pieces it gets canceled, so you'll forgive me my paranoia, yes?

Also, I'm going to rant about Heroes again.

*sigh*

Okay, look, you know what? The "Peter is adopted" thing came up again, and let me put it out there on the table because apparently it's just not going to sink in anytime soon.

Nathan is Claire's biological father. She's been through three sets of parents -- one adopted, one fake, and one biological -- so I doubt we're seriously going to have paternity issues with her again. But since everybody seems to believe this point by now at least, Peter being adopted is the fallback position.

Guys, not even taking the age difference or her current age into consideration, if it comes out next week that Peter is adopted, IT IS STILL CREEPY. I don't care if he was left on the Petrelli doorstep or saved from a crappy flophouse filled with singing Depression-era orphans or swapped out in the middle of the night sa a baby by a yellow-eyed demon. STILL CREEPY. I don't care if Mama Petrelli's special ability is magically borrowing other people's unborn children and popping them into her own uterus. STILL CREEPY.

Is it okay if after all of this Claire goes home and marries Lyle in the series finale?

No. STILL CREEPY.

I swear if I see one more person taking every little thing Peter and Claire do as a sign as he's adopted I'm going to scream. And I hate this, because I'm usually very willing to let people slide on being hopeful that their ships to come to pass. You never know, right? And for the most part I love this pairing and most of the people who ship it. You don't have a problem with the incest, I'm cool. You do and would rather AU it so they're not related, I'm with you. But the "Peter is adopted" thing hits me SO HARD in a very, very irritated place.

This isn't Arrested Development. It does not become a funny little anecdote that they used to be related years down the line when they're married. (... what? I'm perfectly willing to believe that George Michael and Maeby tell that story at their fiftieth wedding anniversary party, but then again if you weren't easy with incest by the end of that show it's a miracle you ever made it through to the end.)

STILL CREEPY.

Argh.

Now you damn kids get off my lawn! *shakes fist in air*

EDIT: Jerry Falwell is dead. As has been said I'm sorry for his loved ones but ... yeah. You know what makes me happy? You know that smack upside the head you give your little brother when he's being a real moron? I keep picturing God walking up to Jerry Falwell in Heaven and giving him that exact same smack.

And then when he said, "Who do you think you are, woman?", She'd smack him again just for kicks.

Comments

[septembergrrl.livejournal.com]

I swear if I see one more person taking every little thing Peter and Claire do as a sign as he's adopted I'm going to scream.

I'm glad I don't read too much in Heroes fandom, because that would make me insane.

The actors have great chemistry, yes. But between the RELATED (hi, V.C. Andrews fans) and the actress and character's age, it's like shipping Dawn/Spike -- sure, I can *see* it, but it would still be yucky of the show to *do* it.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I've even seen a couple of people all affronted that "the writers did this to us!", regarding Nathan being her father, as if they suddenly came up with the idea one day just to piss off the people shipping them.

Dude, they were telegraphing that plot development from the pilot. If *I* could see it coming (and I never see ANYTHING coming) then it's not exactly like they were hiding it that well.

[septembergrrl.livejournal.com]

See, I could tell her bio parent(s) were going to be in the main cast, but I was expecting Niki to be her mom almost up to the reveal. I guess the blonde thing threw me off.

[kurukami.livejournal.com]

I was expecting Niki to be her mom...

You too, huh? I had fic all in mind about how Jessica/Niki'd had Claire, but then got memory-wiped by the Haitian to not consciously remember her and that was one reason why she was so enormously hyper-protective of Micah... but oh well. *shrug*

[hellziggy.livejournal.com]

But see, your Falwell scenario could never happen because he'd have to be in Heaven and I'm pretty sure that he's hanging out somewhere a little warmer. :)

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

You know, on one hand I really want to think that.

On the other hand I'd LOVE to see him in Heaven, walking in and seeing people of all colors and girls holding hands with other girls and boys making out and Muslims and Jews and pagans and people wearing pro-choice shirts and realizing that he's going to be spending eternity in that place with people he loathes. (Of course looking at it that way means that IS his Hell, but whatever.)

[hellziggy.livejournal.com]

Oooooh. I like that idea. He goes to Heaven, where he was convinced he was going, and he finds out that he's not nearly as important there as he thought he was. And besides dealing with all the people he loathes, having to admit that he was wrong about them would make it his hell.
hee hee
This is making me giggle now. :)

[akamarykate.livejournal.com]

Ah, now see, that's an image I can really get behind. Falwell making his own personal hell out of heaven because he's such a...because he is who he is.

[sweill.livejournal.com]

OMG, yes. THIS EXACTLY. I pray for this.

[pescivendolo.livejournal.com]

I agree wholeheartedly about Peter Petrelli. I don't WANT him to be adopted. Obviously, both of his parents and his brother have powers, so there's no reason to think he's adopted. Sure, he's not a cold, power-hungry control freak, but not every person in every family is exactly freaking alike. And he's obviously Mama's favorite, not that that proves or disproves any adoption theories, but really, there's been absolutely nothing in the show to point anyone to that conclusion. They're just squicked out by the incest. I mean, Peter and Claire are the hottest crime-fighting duo around, sure, but like you said, even if they weren't related, she's 15, right?? Or at the most, 16? That's. Not. Cool.

I love my Petrelli family and I want to them to stay whole (and squicky).

wow, that was rambly.

[tabaqui]

HA!
Re, Mr. Falwell? *Exactly*. Jayzus.

And yay, SPN!!
*bounces around*

I hadn't heard the 'Peter is adopted' thing. Um. He and Claire are just good friends! Peter's gonna have hot, sweaty man-sex with *Mohinder*, people.

*la*

[trishalynn.livejournal.com]

Wait, so you're not okay with Peter/Claire, but you were all about Shannon/Boone? And you're okay with Sam/Dean? Is it just the stautoriness of it all?

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

No, I'm fine with Peter/Claire. I love that pairing. What I'm not fine with is the stance that there's going to be this big reveal sooner or later that Peter is really adopted and then he and Claire can get together (YAY!) and those writers were all evil vindictive bastards for suddenly deciding Nathan was her biological father. He isn't, and they won't, and they're not, and if by some slim chance they did pull that plot twist out of their ass my high estimation of the writing so far will go downhill FAST. There's no reason to do that unless they want to hook up Claire and Peter and even if they thought they might be related for a minute, STILL TOO CREEPY for network TV.

[cleverthylacine]

...people think Peter is adopted? @_@;;;;;;;;;

Dude, I was relieved when we found out that Nathan was Claire's biodad, because I love Peter/Claire and it drove all the lameass Sugarquill types who were saying, "oh, let's write about them being cute and romantic but no sex till she's 18!" out of the pairing.

Or so I thought?

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Oh, those fans are still there. They're just divided into two groups now:

1. "Oh. Well, that's okay. I'll just write AUs where they're not related!" Which I'm not going to read, but whatever.

2. "They're not really related! Peter was left on the Petrelli doorstep! I CAN'T BE SHIPPING AN INCEST PAIRING, DAMN IT!" Cue the sobbing and wailing. (I'm really trying to be polite, I swear, and yet every time I read the theory it's exactly what I picture is happening with whomever is posting.)

[cleverthylacine]

Clearly these people have never heard of GSA, which I think Peter and Claire have a metric fucktonne of.

The "AU where they're not related" just messes with my mind. People do that with Sam and Dean, too. I don't get it. If you just want to write RPF because you want to picture those two hot people doing it, do it--but wtf? To write about the actual characters, you have to deal with their relationships.

And besides.

I'm adopted. Being adopted makes no difference. The person that is squicky to have sex with is the person you grew up with, not your biological relative you never met.

It doesn't make any difference. The idea of fucking my adoptive relatives is completely squicktastic because they are my family. If, on the other hand, I met this really hot guy and found out later that we had the same biological parents? I really don't think I could be arsed to CARE. I'm fixed, I have been since I was 28 and I almost died from the last unsuccessful high-risk pregnancy. So no 'cestbabies to worry about. After that, what's the issue?

[mellaithwen]

plus its passed the jensen-two-season marker, since I can't think of a show (aside from DOOL that kinda doesn't count) that has made it passed two seasons (that being Dark Angel) but YAYAYAYAYAY

or swapped out in the middle of the night sa a baby by a yellow-eyed demon

:D

[liliaeth]

Honestly, I think the only reason Fallwell would get anywhere close to heaven is so God can kick him out personally.

[poisontaster]

IT IS STILL CREEPY.
WORD. Which, don't get me wrong, is what I LOVE about the pairing (as the local representative for dirtybadwrong), but STILL CREEPY. Embrace the creepy! LOVE the creepy. But ACKNOWLEDGE that it's creepy. *throws up hands*

OMG RENEWED! YAY!

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

But ACKNOWLEDGE that it's creepy.

YES, EXACTLY. I think that's why I let the people who AU it slide -- because they're not about to change the show, just the worlds that they play in. It's the ones who are like, "Fix my pairing so it's not skeevy anymore!" who drive me up a wall.

OMG RENEWED! YAY!

*twirls you around the room*

[poisontaster]

*thinks* You know what it is? It's a form of fannish entitlement. The AU people are doing what the fen have done all along and just created worlds to fix what they want. The "fixers" want the world to revolve around their desires. Which, okay, we all at some point WANT that, but most of us are sensible enough to not demand it. Or expect it.

I can't even BELIEVE how happy I am about SPN. I wasn't REALLY worried either, but yeah. We've got the scars from loving shows that were cut off in their prime, right?

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Amen to everything you just said. The writers didn't come up with the Nathan-is-Claire's-father twist in an involved writing process -- they did it TO the Paire fans. They don't want to play with the fandom, they want the show to work for THEIR needs. If it's not working for what they want it's not working at all. *sigh* (I mean, the majority of Peter/Claire fans are level-headed enough to either go AU or be all baby's-first-incest-pairing! about it. But the others, dude ...)

Oh, God, I'm thrilled about SPN. I figured it was pretty safe -- when you go up against CSI and Grey's and don't die, the execs had better recognize -- but I was putting away my Firefly box set and watching my Arrested Development DVDs this morning and ... yeah. *wibbles*

[rhyana.livejournal.com]

See, I keep looking at the EW covers, comparing Nathan with Sylar and I think to myself, "Dayum, Sylar's the third Summers brother."

[poisontaster]

Mmmm. Now THAT would be shiny!

[kurukami.livejournal.com]

Except... why oh why oh GOD why would anyone sane want to marry, let alone sleep with, the passive-aggressive harpy that is Sylar's mother? *grin*

[12-12-12.livejournal.com]

I totally don't get the "Peter is adopted" thing either, because one of the things I love about the Petrelli family is that they are bound so tightly, by blood and by their screwed-up power dynamics and by their general Petrelli-ness, and I don't want anything messing with that.

I went through several stages with Peter/Claire. Before I knew they were related, I was totally digging the sparks ('cause the actors have chemistry like YOWZA). Then the Nathan-as-dad reveal came, and I sort of shrugged and said, well, OK. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.

But THEN the writers just keep giving us all this blatantly shippy subtext, so now I'm at the point where I'm enjoying the sparks again. I don't *want* the ship to become text (on the show or in my head), but oh, I do enjoy the subtext.

[dorothy1901]

I like to picture Falwell facing Osiris and Anubis right about now.

[suaine.livejournal.com]

There are seriously people who believe that Peter is adopted? Really? I mean, for sure?

*blinks*

Maybe someone needs to embrace the incest. *nods sagely*

[milkshake-b.livejournal.com]

But what if you like the adoption idea because you love the notion of Mama Petrelli getting a vision of needing a kid who goes boom and going out and finding herself one and cackling because it increases the brood she can be awesome at and then having a conversation with Linderman where he's all "Oh come on, it's not as if Peter is even really yours," and she's all frostily, "I love both my children, regardless of where they come from," and you can't tell if she really means that or not and, um.


...


I'll just be over there looking awkward.

[runcible.livejournal.com]

CAN I QUOTE YOUR FALWELL BIT ON MY LJ? It made my day more shiny.

[sweill.livejournal.com]

Me, too. Can I quote/link/whatever? 'cause you got it exactly right there...

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Heh. Sure, go ahead. :)

[medie]

Heh, I like the idea of the adoption theory in relation to a Peter and Sylar mirroring each other angle. However, if I were going to go with this theory? It wouldn't be Peter.

Sylar Petrelli has a nice ring to it, don't you think? *G*

[wufeidragon.livejournal.com]

Also.. in the second episode mama Petrelli is telling him that his father committed suicide and she's worried that he is, too. I highly doubt that she knew that he was trying to fly by jumping off the building, even if she knew he would have powers and possibly what those powers would be. In either case, she is telling him that he could have a hereditary disorder and does seem genuinely concerned. I don't think she would have brought it up if he wasn't her biological son. Or kept it from him for so long, for that matter (Nathan said he already knew).

Also, I could definitely see Sylar having been adopted much more than Peter. Although Peter does have that weird accent... but maybe he went to college in SoCal or something...

[random-serious.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it wasn't like Supernatural being renewed was all THAT much in question,

Yeah, but I for one was getting paranoid, cause it took such a long time.