I can be fucking thorough, y'all.
May. 16th, 2007 11:41 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
apocalypsosMy last day at work, I killed time by writing down a bunch of notes for something I planned on writing regarding my beliefs (or hopes, I guess) of what would happen on the SPN finale. And then the whole ordering-dinner debacle happened and I was really annoyed and the landlord came over and ... well, distracted. But I want to get this off my chest before the finale even if it's completely wrong, just because I watch and note stuff and get ideas and I might as well write down my particular theory on this.
I know I've said it before but I really do think this whole Demon situation is just as much about Dean as it is about Sam, if not more so. It's obviously WAAAY more complicated than we've been shown and there are still a lot of things we don't know.
However, I feel a little weird saying, "It's All About Dean!" because I'm such a Deangirl that it puts me in a position where I get the impression people see that statement from me as less of a determination made through plot points and more of a hope that Dean's not just there to be a big ginormous woobie.
So this is where I list the reasons I came up with for how it could be All About Dean.
(As in, the Demon wants Dean, not Sam, and this is all a bait and switch. And I'm not saying that it's not entirely possible that it's simply All About Sam as we've had shown to us, but if it were All About Dean, this is why I would be all, "See?! I told you so!" later. Except not as snotty. ;))
Bait and switch, or why I don't think Dean Winchester's just a pretty coat rack
The first point is simple. Jared's name is first in the credits and (when cornered and forced to make a choice) Sam is presented as the lead character over Dean. His girlfriend dies in the pilot, he is the target of the Demon, etc.
However, someone on ye olde friends list pointed out something that really struck me a few days back -- we don't know Sam nearly as well as we know Dean. We know Dean's favorite foods, music, what he likes in a woman, what he reads, what TV shows and movies he watches. We know who he is in the details far better than we know Sam.
Now that's not a lot to point to as a sign but it really does make me curious about why we would be given so few details about Sam and so many about Dean. (Granted, it may just be lazy writing but I'm trying to keep my hopes up. ;))
In the finale of last year we were given the impression with Rose that even before the Demon came to her she was a gifted baby. Her mother said as much -- "It's like she can read your mind."
So then why would the Demon have to give baby Sam his blood?
The tracking-system theory hasn't held water with me since it was proposed because if the Demon can find these special babies in the first place, then why would he need to put a few drops of his blood in them as a tracking system at all? The thing is that I don't think anything in what the Demon showed Sam of that night was untrue. I think his words were false, but I do believe that Mary knew him and that Sam was fed a few drops of his blood.
Sam is a very smart guy who's extensively trained in legends and lore and how to hunt demons. If he believes that a few drops of demon blood as a baby might give him abilities I'm willing to go with the assumption that it's possible. So if Rose's abilities were also real before the Demon showed up, then why would Sam need to be administered demon blood?
How about to mask the Demon's desire to take Dean when he grows up?
Look at it this way. He makes the whole thing about Sam. Gives him powers, follows him throughout his life, kills his girlfriend, taunts him with visions. Obviously it's all about Sam. His mother burned over his crib, he has the powers -- it's him the Demon wants.
But halfway through the season it turns out that not everybody's mom died over their crib. It's possible that the Demon visited Dean as a baby and Mary and John never knew (or that Mary knew and didn't tell). He knows that this is the perfect general for his future army, so he begins to make plans and contacts, set things up, and wait. Wait, until he has a red flag he can wave over here while over there he's slipping a GI Joe action figure into his pocket.
The Demon is just incredibly dismissive of Dean for reasons that don't make sense. Everybody else in that family -- Mary, John, Sam -- have all been the focus of his designs at one point or another and he's taken them all very seriously. But he handwaves Dean a lot. Why? What possible reason would he have for so easily dismissing a guy who's willing to go to more extreme measures the more you break him?
The thing about Mary knowing the Demon hits me hard, particularly with the fact that so far we've yet to see any evidence that any of the other children weren't firstborns. (I'm considering Andy and Webber as firstborns of a sort even though they're not because it's a single pregnancy and I'm not exactly sure about the details. HOWEVER.) Nobody else has said anything about a big brother, nobody else has mentioned their brothers or sisters -- just Sam.
Mary's angelic reputation is really in question with the revelation that she knew the Demon. It's possible she was a champion of an earlier generation, which would make a lot of sense. I've been brainstorming since I saw the spoiler about that particular plot development, and most of the reasons I can think of for why she would know the Demon mean that there was a good chance she had abilities of some sort as well. So if she did, why wouldn't Dean inherit them as well? Does the Demon know if he does? Better yet, does Dean know if he does?
I keep coming back to Dean's amulet. John said that after Mary's death he went to Missouri and learned "the truth." What truth? Are we still sure it was JUST that the supernatural is real? Was there more, perhaps about Dean and Sam and their prospective futures? Or about Mary and who (or what) she really was? Let's say that Dean really was like Rose, born with abilities, while Sam was just given demon blood. Would Missouri have known about Dean the same way she might have about Sam, or vice versa?
Here's what gets me -- at the end of "Home" when Missouri walks into her home and speaks, she doesn't mention Sam by name. She says, "That boy." It's like with the comment at the end of "Croatoan" with the infected kid mentioning "the Winchester boy". There are TWO Winchester boys. Now, in all likelihood both instances refer to Sam and I'm making a mountain out of a Winchester boy. (Not hard to do, the ginormous bastards.) However, that's precisely the sort of bait-and-switch intended to have an audience making assumptions that come back to bite them in the ass later.
The Demon's M.O. appears to us like he's trying to take everything away from the boys (or more aptly Sam) in an attempt to break them. The thing is, Sam's been there. Six years ago now he broke off all ties with his family and walked out into a life and a place where he had no friends, no money, no place to live, and a slippery grasp of what a normal life was like. It took a while, I imagine, but by the time Dean came back around Sam had friends, a decent apartment, a pretty girlfriend, fabulous grades and family out there who, while he wasn't speaking to them and didn't get along with them, he knew were alive and loved him. Sam is not as easy to break as all that.
Dean, on the other hand? Barely a single friend if any, a series of one-night stands punctuated by the disaster that was Cassie, no job, a criminal record, no home, and only a broken family to hold onto. Who the hell would try to crack Sam when Dean is so much easier? He was practically on the brink even before Sam was the only thing he had left of his family to hold onto.
And as I've said before, the timing of the lack of demon activity versus the length of time the games at Cold Oak have been going on feels odd to me. Ava tells us she's been there since she was taken five months ago. Bobby says there hasn't been any demon activity in a month. Why? Where do the two facts jive together? I find it odd that the demon activity dies down right as the Demon is bringing the Winchesters into play. That could be him networking, of course -- "Come and look at who I'm going to kill!" -- but what if it's not? What if those demons are part of the army he's gathering, along with the souls of the special children he's condemned to Hell (he did put them in a position to commit a mortal sin, after all), and he's preparing them for the soldier he's been waiting for and grooming for years now?
Not Sam -- DEAN.
Let's say he dragged both Dean and Sam to Cold Oak. First off, it would look highly suspicious for Dean to be there when he supposedly has no powers. And Dean wouldn't stoop to killing these people until Sam's life were in danger. Knowing Sam, he'd talk Dean out of killing humans and that's not what the Demon wants. That's not even taking into consideration that this could all be Dean's test. He is left in the middle of nowhere with no clue about where Sam is, who took him, or why. By the time he does come to find Sam -- the journey being part of his test -- Sam will either have won and be damned, or lost and be dead.
Either way, Dean is going to be fucked UP.
Which is exactly what the Demon would be counting on.
Like I said, this is pretty much me explaining where I'm coming from in regards to that particular belief. And if it comes true tonight I will pretty much SPAZZ OUT. :)
EDIT: *sigh* I can meta hardcore and yet I can't pry fic from my brain to save my life lately? Well, fuck you too, brain.
OTHER EDIT: It also strikes me that if there isn't already an SPN version of![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
heroes_meta there should be. And it could have a fic quotes section!
I'm, um, not starting that comm.
*pokes anybody else on my friends list* You do it.
I know I've said it before but I really do think this whole Demon situation is just as much about Dean as it is about Sam, if not more so. It's obviously WAAAY more complicated than we've been shown and there are still a lot of things we don't know.
However, I feel a little weird saying, "It's All About Dean!" because I'm such a Deangirl that it puts me in a position where I get the impression people see that statement from me as less of a determination made through plot points and more of a hope that Dean's not just there to be a big ginormous woobie.
So this is where I list the reasons I came up with for how it could be All About Dean.
(As in, the Demon wants Dean, not Sam, and this is all a bait and switch. And I'm not saying that it's not entirely possible that it's simply All About Sam as we've had shown to us, but if it were All About Dean, this is why I would be all, "See?! I told you so!" later. Except not as snotty. ;))
The first point is simple. Jared's name is first in the credits and (when cornered and forced to make a choice) Sam is presented as the lead character over Dean. His girlfriend dies in the pilot, he is the target of the Demon, etc.
However, someone on ye olde friends list pointed out something that really struck me a few days back -- we don't know Sam nearly as well as we know Dean. We know Dean's favorite foods, music, what he likes in a woman, what he reads, what TV shows and movies he watches. We know who he is in the details far better than we know Sam.
Now that's not a lot to point to as a sign but it really does make me curious about why we would be given so few details about Sam and so many about Dean. (Granted, it may just be lazy writing but I'm trying to keep my hopes up. ;))
In the finale of last year we were given the impression with Rose that even before the Demon came to her she was a gifted baby. Her mother said as much -- "It's like she can read your mind."
So then why would the Demon have to give baby Sam his blood?
The tracking-system theory hasn't held water with me since it was proposed because if the Demon can find these special babies in the first place, then why would he need to put a few drops of his blood in them as a tracking system at all? The thing is that I don't think anything in what the Demon showed Sam of that night was untrue. I think his words were false, but I do believe that Mary knew him and that Sam was fed a few drops of his blood.
Sam is a very smart guy who's extensively trained in legends and lore and how to hunt demons. If he believes that a few drops of demon blood as a baby might give him abilities I'm willing to go with the assumption that it's possible. So if Rose's abilities were also real before the Demon showed up, then why would Sam need to be administered demon blood?
How about to mask the Demon's desire to take Dean when he grows up?
Look at it this way. He makes the whole thing about Sam. Gives him powers, follows him throughout his life, kills his girlfriend, taunts him with visions. Obviously it's all about Sam. His mother burned over his crib, he has the powers -- it's him the Demon wants.
But halfway through the season it turns out that not everybody's mom died over their crib. It's possible that the Demon visited Dean as a baby and Mary and John never knew (or that Mary knew and didn't tell). He knows that this is the perfect general for his future army, so he begins to make plans and contacts, set things up, and wait. Wait, until he has a red flag he can wave over here while over there he's slipping a GI Joe action figure into his pocket.
The Demon is just incredibly dismissive of Dean for reasons that don't make sense. Everybody else in that family -- Mary, John, Sam -- have all been the focus of his designs at one point or another and he's taken them all very seriously. But he handwaves Dean a lot. Why? What possible reason would he have for so easily dismissing a guy who's willing to go to more extreme measures the more you break him?
The thing about Mary knowing the Demon hits me hard, particularly with the fact that so far we've yet to see any evidence that any of the other children weren't firstborns. (I'm considering Andy and Webber as firstborns of a sort even though they're not because it's a single pregnancy and I'm not exactly sure about the details. HOWEVER.) Nobody else has said anything about a big brother, nobody else has mentioned their brothers or sisters -- just Sam.
Mary's angelic reputation is really in question with the revelation that she knew the Demon. It's possible she was a champion of an earlier generation, which would make a lot of sense. I've been brainstorming since I saw the spoiler about that particular plot development, and most of the reasons I can think of for why she would know the Demon mean that there was a good chance she had abilities of some sort as well. So if she did, why wouldn't Dean inherit them as well? Does the Demon know if he does? Better yet, does Dean know if he does?
I keep coming back to Dean's amulet. John said that after Mary's death he went to Missouri and learned "the truth." What truth? Are we still sure it was JUST that the supernatural is real? Was there more, perhaps about Dean and Sam and their prospective futures? Or about Mary and who (or what) she really was? Let's say that Dean really was like Rose, born with abilities, while Sam was just given demon blood. Would Missouri have known about Dean the same way she might have about Sam, or vice versa?
Here's what gets me -- at the end of "Home" when Missouri walks into her home and speaks, she doesn't mention Sam by name. She says, "That boy." It's like with the comment at the end of "Croatoan" with the infected kid mentioning "the Winchester boy". There are TWO Winchester boys. Now, in all likelihood both instances refer to Sam and I'm making a mountain out of a Winchester boy. (Not hard to do, the ginormous bastards.) However, that's precisely the sort of bait-and-switch intended to have an audience making assumptions that come back to bite them in the ass later.
The Demon's M.O. appears to us like he's trying to take everything away from the boys (or more aptly Sam) in an attempt to break them. The thing is, Sam's been there. Six years ago now he broke off all ties with his family and walked out into a life and a place where he had no friends, no money, no place to live, and a slippery grasp of what a normal life was like. It took a while, I imagine, but by the time Dean came back around Sam had friends, a decent apartment, a pretty girlfriend, fabulous grades and family out there who, while he wasn't speaking to them and didn't get along with them, he knew were alive and loved him. Sam is not as easy to break as all that.
Dean, on the other hand? Barely a single friend if any, a series of one-night stands punctuated by the disaster that was Cassie, no job, a criminal record, no home, and only a broken family to hold onto. Who the hell would try to crack Sam when Dean is so much easier? He was practically on the brink even before Sam was the only thing he had left of his family to hold onto.
And as I've said before, the timing of the lack of demon activity versus the length of time the games at Cold Oak have been going on feels odd to me. Ava tells us she's been there since she was taken five months ago. Bobby says there hasn't been any demon activity in a month. Why? Where do the two facts jive together? I find it odd that the demon activity dies down right as the Demon is bringing the Winchesters into play. That could be him networking, of course -- "Come and look at who I'm going to kill!" -- but what if it's not? What if those demons are part of the army he's gathering, along with the souls of the special children he's condemned to Hell (he did put them in a position to commit a mortal sin, after all), and he's preparing them for the soldier he's been waiting for and grooming for years now?
Not Sam -- DEAN.
Let's say he dragged both Dean and Sam to Cold Oak. First off, it would look highly suspicious for Dean to be there when he supposedly has no powers. And Dean wouldn't stoop to killing these people until Sam's life were in danger. Knowing Sam, he'd talk Dean out of killing humans and that's not what the Demon wants. That's not even taking into consideration that this could all be Dean's test. He is left in the middle of nowhere with no clue about where Sam is, who took him, or why. By the time he does come to find Sam -- the journey being part of his test -- Sam will either have won and be damned, or lost and be dead.
Either way, Dean is going to be fucked UP.
Which is exactly what the Demon would be counting on.
Like I said, this is pretty much me explaining where I'm coming from in regards to that particular belief. And if it comes true tonight I will pretty much SPAZZ OUT. :)
EDIT: *sigh* I can meta hardcore and yet I can't pry fic from my brain to save my life lately? Well, fuck you too, brain.
OTHER EDIT: It also strikes me that if there isn't already an SPN version of
heroes_meta there should be. And it could have a fic quotes section!I'm, um, not starting that comm.
*pokes anybody else on my friends list* You do it.
