*sigh*

[apocalypsos]

-- Have I mentioned how much I love cleaning up cat puke? Because I do THIS MUCH.

*drowns in sarcasm*

-- I finished baileytc's Sweet Charity fic last night before work but I didn't post it because ... you know, it's for charity and for somebody else so before it gets posted I have to go over it with twenty-seven fine-toothed combs first. It's kind of a weird idea, so I think it's just making me more nervous or something.

-- I hate my job. I'd like to beat it with sticks.

-- I still have two more pinch-hits for apocalyptothon to dole out. Hmm. I'll have to do that later before work.

-- *pinches bridge of nose* Okay, look, fandom.

From what I've heard, the girls have been moved from regulars to recurring. When fandom's reaction to Jo was bad, the show dropped the love interest angle. Bela and Ruby are not going to take over the show. You are not supposed to love them more than Sam and Dean or want them to run off together in interchangeable pairings or come out of the whole plotline wishing it were the Hotass McHotterson's Girls Night Out every Thursday night instead. For right now they are just there.

Please to be calming down now?

'Cause I adore watching wank occur, but considering how so much of SPN fandom would much rather see female characters in one of only two capacities, last night I wondered if maybe it would be a more apt description of their two desired positions on the show if Dean and Sam showed up in the first scene of every episode next season picking up that week's female guest star in the bargain bin at the local Fuck N' Save.

Comments

[astrothsknot.livejournal.com]

*Applies for job in Fuck N Save*

I thought they were recurring, because it seems silly to introduce two new actors to a formula show untested. From a business point of view, it just seems daft, because having untried actors locked into a regular contract could seriously damage the shows existing fanbase.

Bobby and Ellen weren't given regular shots - though that may have changed now in regard to Jim Beaver and it wouldn't surprise me if they find a way to sneak Sam Ferris in on a recurring basis.

[notrafficlights.livejournal.com]

Sorry, still too angry over Ellen's dumping to even give them an inch of optimism.

WANT. MY. ELLEN. Ò.Ó

[telaryn.livejournal.com]

I've been thinking about this as I've been reading a bunch of the wank explosions -- and I think a lot of it really is just knee-jerk reactions to the fact that Hollywood has really never been able to write for women who like the "non-girly" genres (Joss Whedon and Ron Moore being the exception). Especially when you get into the almost comic-book type stuff, girls are sex objects first and foremost.

I loved what you wrote on Fandom Wank about wanting to see a female hunter introduced who could strike up a friendship with them. Sort of an age-appropriate Ellen. Honestly though, while I think Kripke & Co. could write it (they wrote Ellen after all), I think they'd get so much grief from the network for not conforming to their idea of womens' roles on a show like this that the result would be half-assed at best.

Which would piss off the fanbase, which would encourage them to dump the character, which would...lather, rinse, repeat.

[katikat.livejournal.com]

I agree with you completely. I mean, when you take for example Sarah from Provenance or even Kathleen from The Benders, the writers CAN write female characters well. But TPTB are still stuck somewhere in the 19th century where women where there to be rescued and to shed tears in appropriate moments. And when they are not sexy doe-eyed bombshells with big boobs, they might not even be there. And that makes me sad. I want my Ellen and Missouri *sniffs*

[katikat.livejournal.com]

I've stumbled across your spoiler-cut by mistake - yes, call me dumb XP - but you just made my day. I don't have a problem with female characters. I love Ellen and even Jo kinda grew on me. My problem was the word "regular". Now that they are "only" recurring, I'm kinda looking forward to them.

I must admit that the whole wank and bashing and hate propaganda that's going on and on in the fandom made me stop reading spoilers and I even filtered out some SPN lj comms from my flist.

I agree with telaryn that mostly, it was a knee-jerk reaction to the "regular" position these girls were pushed into. And I'm afraid that it might have damaged the ratings before season 3 even started because I've seen more than one person go all "the show is dead, I'm not watching anymore" :( I'm not sure if TPTB changed their plans after seeing the fans' reaction or if it was just a case of dumb wording but yeah, damage's done X(

[anashi.livejournal.com]

As soon as I heard there were going to be girls, I knew the wank was coming. It's so fucking typical and business as usual that it didn't even phase me...well, I did get angry at one livejournaler in particular because she said she didn't want the dynamic to change and jesus...it's not up to you, GOD. I just wish the audience would let the writers do their jobs without screeching every two seconds about something they don't like. It's like this show has to take an opinion poll every two seconds for the fans to be happy. Please writers just...don't listen to them. They seem to believe that Dean and Sam have to only exist in each other's orbits otherwise the show is dead. And your 'fuck and save' thing, yep, that's about all fandom can take really from the girls or you know, Teyla, who doesn't say a fucking word barely. She's alright then because she doesn't fuck with the status quo. I know that's a different fandom but same sexism... *cough* Weir
*cough* God, I need a drink.

[amalthia]

from what i've been reading I think most people are upset at the idea of any two characters being added as regulars, male or female. I've also read stuff that pretty much implied it's not the writers or producers idea to add two regular characters but the network, thinking if they add girls more guys will start watching the show. Basically, they are trying to draw in the audience that thinks with their dicks and not their brains and when a network does that I get kind of offended because it's pretty much a slap in the face of the people already watching and an insult to women. Like we aren't as good as good of an audience as men or something. That's the part that gets to me.

The fact is it will change the dynamic of the show beyond the basic premise if they add 2 more characters. I fell in love with the show as it is, two brothers hunting evil going from town to town. I'm just not sure if they add two more regular characters that I'll enjoy the show as much. There are already plenty of shows with an ensemble cast and this is one of the two buddy shows left on tv. Doctor Who being the other.

Also if girls are added romantic drama will inevitably arrive and I kind of like that the show is mainly action and horror. There are plenty of shows with romantic drama on tv now. I mostly just don't want spn to turn into Smallville or Charmed.

[telaryn.livejournal.com]

Like we aren't as good as good of an audience as men or something. That's the part that gets to me.

From what I've read over the years, unless it's a soap opera where the network automatically *assumes* we're the primary audience, we're *not* as desirable an audience demographic as men.

Which is such shit, because not only do women spend more of their advertisers' precious "consumer dollars", in a lot of cases I know guys *won't* buy things their wives/girlfriends/mothers don't approve of.

p.s.

[amalthia]

one of the reasons season 3 Atlantis annoyed me is because every other character got an episode for them except Teyla. I do not like how the writers write women in Stargate.

[ficangel.livejournal.com]

I thought that they were basically recurring in the first place? Thirteen episodes out of twenty-two, right?

*sighs and rubs head* Fandmom makes me want to hit things, I swear. These women get a whopping two adjectives apiece to describe, but they're the destruction of "everything about the show that we love". Dear fandom: if I loved something just for the cock, I would pick up an issue of Playgirl and save myself the trouble.

The only (mildly) humorous part of this entire mess is cackling to myself about how Ellen only passed the Fandom Vagina Test by being a mommmy and thus supposedly non-sexual. Because dude. Ellen is hot.

[squee1123.livejournal.com]

Do we have any casting spoilers for Bela like we do for Ruby?

[tabaqui]

This is the *only* spoiler i know! I refuse to know more!!

Heh.

My only 'concern', if that's the right word, is that they please don't make them 'hunters' who hunt in skin-tight leather pants and heels, with lots of makeup and pretty hair and long nails. Please please please make them *real women*, with bags under their eyes 'cause they were up for three nights chasing a werewolf and who eat french fries with their mouths open and snort when they laugh.

If only the CEO's or the networks or *whoever* it was that decides that pretty perfect princesses are 'teh shite' for tv shows would just...drop dead.

*cough*

I think, considering that Sam'n'Dean have the FBI after them, about 200 demons to corral and exorcise, Sam's possible powers and/or evil to deal with and Dean's one year hanging over their heads.... They need a little help. And since Bobby is pretty much a stay-at-home guy...this'll do.
:)