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-- Shame on the mainstream media, when the women from The View are the ones asking the hard-hitting questions of John McCain. Yes, even Elisabeth Hasselbeck, whom I hate with a passion.

-- I can't contain my rage at the story that Governor Palin wanted rape victims to pay for their own rape kits, which is so appallingly offensive I can't even think of anything to say to that.

On the other hand, am I the only one who gets extremely uncomfortable whenever her decision to carry a Down's baby to term is used as evidence of her hypocrisy regarding a woman's right to choose? Granted, every pregnancy should be a woman's decision to continue or not, but ... a Down's baby? Really?

-- My back is still killing me. I need to go soak in the tub for a while. Ow.

Date: 2008-09-13 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atdelphi.livejournal.com
What bothers me both about Palin opponents calling her a hypocrite and Palin supporters calling her a hero on account of her youngest child is how insulting it is to pro-choice women who choose to continue a pregnancy after discovering the fetus shows signs of a disability, not to mention all the people out there who choose to foster or adopt children with disabilities. I strongly believe in a woman's right to continue or terminate a pregnancy for whatever reasons make sense for her life and her family, but it doesn't sit right with me to insinuate that the only reason someone would have a baby with Down's Syndrome is because they didn't see themselves as having any other option.

Date: 2008-09-14 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lots42.livejournal.com
I've been involved with abortion debates and the sheer amount of people who refuse to acknowledge adoption as a -possibillity- scares me. I've personally, with my own eyes, seen it work.

Date: 2008-09-14 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
the sheer amount of people who refuse to acknowledge adoption as a -possibillity- scares me.

For themselves or for others? Because I could never in a million years consider giving up my child, if I were lucky enough to have one. I know adoption works (there's been adoptions in almost every generation of my family on both sides) and I still could never consider it. It'd take extreme circumstances to make me even think about abortion -- it'd have to be life or death.

I love adoption, I do, but sometimes it just seems like it gets suggested as an option too often to women getting abortions because they're not financially, emotionally or mentally prepared to raise a child. "Well, if you can't raise it, you could give it to someone who could!" Wait, why does somebody else's desire for an infant take priority over my desire to keep my own damn child? Why is there less of a movement to make it easier for women to keep their children and more of a movement to suggest to them to give up their babies to the perfect needy couple? Why isn't the government doing more to help that needy couple understand that there are just as needy children and teens who need homes right now while at the same time providing programs that would make it easier for women like me to carry, give birth to, and raise an unexpected infant, women like me who are so broke we can't afford new clothes and would love to keep a baby but would have to dig up the money from somewhere for something as simple as maternity clothes for the next nine months all so that some nice shiny oh-so-perfect traditionally married two-parent couple can take my fucking baby?

... ahem. Sorry. I spilled venting on you. *offers a napkin*

Date: 2008-09-22 06:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] porntestpilot.livejournal.com
Because people do not want to have to pay for other people's children. If the baby is adopted, those people are paying for the child, and society isn't. That's why people want to push adoption so hard on women in that position.

The hilarious part of that position is that they end up paying for all the kids/teenagers in the system so no one wins.

Date: 2008-09-14 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atdelphi.livejournal.com
*nods* Adoption can work, of course - but I can understand why some people have mixed feelings about it, given that we as a society are in a rapidly changing place when it comes to adoption. The secrecy is unravelling, which is encouraging for those for whom open adoption is a good fit, but prohibiting for others. There's no 'going upstate to visit your aunt' now - it's nine visible months of all the pain and emotional turmoil of pregnancy and labour, with friends and near-strangers alike all asking you afterwards what happened to the baby. And it's knowing that the child could well track you down within the next eighteen years, as the privacy rights of birth parents dwindle.

We hear about the overloaded foster system, and adoptive parents holding out for white, healthy newborns; there's the potential clustersmuck of transracial adoption; legal and social controversy about gay couples and single men and women adopting; rising infertility rates and people insisting that fertile couples have no right to adopt healthy newborns; and news stories about disabled children being horrifically abused by foster or adoptive parents. Personally, I'm open to adopting someday - but while I acknowledge adoption as a possibility, it's one I would quickly discount were I faced with an unwanted pregnancy.

Date: 2008-09-14 03:49 am (UTC)
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I agree, firmly and unequivocally.

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