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So here's the thing. One of the writers (it may have been Kring, it's early and I just rolled out of bed two minutes ago) said something about Hiro having the best storyline's he's had so far when next season rolls around. After the last few episodes, I think I see the writing on the wall:

They're going to send the son of a bitch to learn to be Batman.

Think about it. They've been dropping Batman's name for the last few episodes, how Ando's Superman and he's Batman, and meanwhile Hiro's been having trouble with his powers. Hiro wants to be a hero, so much it's ALL he thinks about. We've already seen hints of the Batman thing all season long -- he has tons of money, he built Ando a lair, he's smarter than we all give him credit for. If he took these headaches as a sign, if Ando brought up the Batman thing again and something clicked, it would be a HUGE step forward for the character.

With any other character, deciding to turn themselves into a weapon rather than depending solely on their ability (I discount Sylar on that if only because his situation is definitely more of the latter than the former) would seem silly and childish. With Hiro, it would be smart. He knows about his earliest future self, that he was calmer, stronger, that he knew the sword and could kick all sorts of ass. What if he went off to study, to rest his powers, to intensively train to be the Hiro that he could be?

If they did this, if Hiro pretty much said, "FUCK THIS NOISE," and spent next season pulling a Bruce Wayne in the beginning of Batman Returns, I think I would find myself loving the writers like CRAZY. The whole ninja!Hiro plotline's been dropped if not outright forgotten since season one, and that would be an AWESOME way to point out, "You know what? You don't need superpowers to be a hero."

And for Hiro to be the one to realize that lesson?

THANK YOU, AND PRAISE THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER.

Date: 2009-04-28 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foenix.livejournal.com
Actually, they've been calling Ando Batman. =)

Date: 2009-04-28 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
See what happens when I write meta posts when I just woke up? ;)

Seriously, though, it's just a hop, skip and a jump to him turning himself into Batman. He just has to see the open door.

Date: 2009-04-28 12:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] goddessleila.livejournal.com
If Hiro turned himself into Batman, I would actually watch the show again. Which is saying something.

Date: 2009-04-28 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dargie.livejournal.com
I think you're on to something here, kiddo. Even if Ando has been called Batman consistently, there's no reason why Hiro can't say "No, wait. You're Superman and I'm Batman."

One of the things I love about this show is that nothing is ever lost even through multiple time streams. Images and situations come back into the thread of the story, changed but still potent as if all the time streams exist at once and the characters are moving between them with the same intentions and ideas.

Future Hiro that we saw carried a katana and spoke excellent English. Where did he come from? There's a viable story there.

Last night my major concern was Nathan, though. But then I remembered Linderman and that he could raise the dead. Will he make another appearance or is there someone else out there with the same ability?

And just as a side bar: I wish we could see more of Charles Deveaux.

Date: 2009-04-28 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
Claire's blood resuscitates the dead (it did for HRG!), and the Petrellis know that.

The writers are either profoundly stupid or glossing it over because they get shit for not killing off nearly enough Petrellis.

Date: 2009-04-28 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dargie.livejournal.com
I totally forgot that. Dang. What were they (not) thinking?

Date: 2009-04-28 07:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fyrdrakken
I didn't remember that until the TWoP recap pointed it out, and then I wondered who knew about how Adam's blood had cured Nathan of the scars incurred in the s1 finale. Adam's out, Nathan's obviously not telling anyone, was Peter there to remember and think of Claire? Does Peter even realize it also works on the dead? I can't remember who used Claire's blood to revive HRG -- wasn't it Mohinder? Wasn't she not there at the time?

Date: 2009-04-28 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dargie.livejournal.com
Don't count Adam out. He's buried but he can't die, which makes what Hiro did so incredibly awful. Claire wasn't there as far as I know when Mohinder brought Noah back. Although, come to think of it now, Peter's blood should also work.

Oh... wait a minute... What if it's more useful to have two Nathans? What if they did think of it? We didn't see them even discuss Nathan's body even though they thought to ask what people would say if Sylar's body wasn't found. Noah and Angela are masters of quadruple think, I wouldn't put this past them. To what purpose, I don't know, but you have to wonder if there isn't something more going on here.

Date: 2009-04-28 09:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fyrdrakken
Adam's "out" in the sense of, "not there to tell (or remind) the Petrellis that he could restore Nathan to life." And Peter's blood probably wouldn't work now that he's lost all his powers except whatever the last hero he touched had.

Quadruple think, yes, but what with Angela's freakout and the way she was going on about her dream being that Matt would "save" Nathan somehow... I'm guessing she didn't know what Claire's blood would do, and so didn't realize that curing Nathan's death was an actual option. (Mind you, this show does a lot of retconning. I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled something similar out of a hat next season. But they'd have to do a lot of work to convince me they planned it this early, rather than having the idea later on when they decided they wanted the original Nathan back.)

Date: 2009-04-29 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yorick28.livejournal.com
Just jumping in to say that, unless I'm totally hallucinating (always a possibility), I'm pretty sure Adam actually is dead: Papa Petrelli took his power in order to heal himself, which in turn caused Adam to age a few centuries in a matter of seconds and morph into a pile of dust.

Date: 2009-04-29 02:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fyrdrakken
That's right, we were remembering what Hiro did to Adam, but forgetting about Adam's subplot once he was freed from the coffin.

Date: 2009-04-30 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ljs-lj.livejournal.com
My mom went completely nuts during the last bit of the episode, yelling at the TV that all they had to do was give Nathan some of Claire's blood and how stupid everyone was that they couldn't remember doing it "that one time, way back when".

All I could say was that no one's ever really dead on our shows. (And remind her that the water-person we'd previously seen was on Smallville, not Heroes - to which she said, "I can't keep track of all these superheroes!")

Date: 2009-04-28 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenygal.livejournal.com
I really like this idea. I mean, yeah, they've been calling Ando that, but Ando isn't Batman either. Being Batman requires a whole damn lot of work that neither of them has done yet, and I think we can all agree that Hiro is the more motivated one, so why can't it be Hiro? Plus if he's spending his time studying and training it'll help avoid more situations where he gets so freaking bored that he endangers the world just to have something exciting to do. (Okay, that wasn't exactly how it arranged itself in his head, but still.)

Date: 2009-04-28 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laughingacademy.livejournal.com
Hee! I'm reminded of the bit in Snow Crash where the man character, Hiro Protagonist, muses that deep down every guy thinks that with sufficient motivation — like, to avenge the murder of their entire family, or if they only had three years to live and decided to devote the time to cleaning up the streets — they could become a Bad Ass Motherfucker.

Heroes Hiro could live the dream!

Date: 2009-04-28 07:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fyrdrakken
Watchmen got kind of old with its premise that everyone was Batman except this one guy who was basically a god. Heroes has indeed gone the other way and given us no non-powered heroes, since even Ando and Mohinder picked up powers. So it's due to have a few who got there by work rather than by genetics or super-science.

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