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Every time I try to come up with something intelligent to say about the murder of abortion doctor George Tiller, who provided late-term abortions, I have a "Flames ... on the side of my face ..." type of reaction.

So I'll just say this.

If you seriously believe that women are so lazy and stupid as a group that a majority of late-term abortions are done not out of medical necessity but because women just routinely and casually decide they don't want to carry a healthy fetus anymore in the eighth month ... if you honestly believe that a woman should be forced to carry a dead fetus until her body decides to get rid of it, if it doesn't give her an infection and kill her off too ... if you can stand there and tell me with a straight expression that every birth defect and flaw can be caught before the fetus becomes theoretically viable outside of the womb and women just wait to get rid of those fetuses out of laziness ... if you actually think a woman should have to carry a fetus without a face or a fucking brain for weeks if not months knowing full well it'll die immediately after birth ...

Get off my friendslist.

No, seriously, get the fuck away from me.

And I hope you never have to learn why the right to a late-term abortion is so goddamn important.
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Date: 2009-05-31 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dawnmipb.livejournal.com
And they can get off mine, too. Thanks for saying it.

Date: 2009-05-31 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anne-jumps.livejournal.com
This this this

Date: 2009-05-31 11:07 pm (UTC)
jamethiel: A man yells (Yelling)
From: [personal profile] jamethiel
A-fucking-men.

I just--these people fail at LOGIC as well as humanity. Did they not read the New Testament? Just. GRRR. AAAARRRRGH.

Date: 2009-05-31 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robyn-ma.livejournal.com
I love how Operation Rescue has denounced the murder. I have two words to say to that: plausible deniability.

Date: 2009-05-31 11:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-05-31 11:19 pm (UTC)
florahart: (stompy boots)
From: [personal profile] florahart
It's pretty screwed up that the ethical thing is to hope they never come to understand for personal reasons while knowing that that's probably the only way they will.

Bah.

Date: 2009-05-31 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maryavatar.livejournal.com
Oh yes.

And WTF? They're called gynaecologists, not 'abortion doctors'.

Date: 2009-06-01 04:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-05-31 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marag.livejournal.com
Yes. This.

I've had two children who were, thank Darwin, basically healthy. But I will never ever forget the day I came out of my first 20-week sonogram and looked at Avi and said, "The reason they looked at our baby's brain is because they were worried THERE MIGHT NOT BE ONE." And we just stared at each other and had a quiet freakout.

I cannot imagine the hell of realizing your baby is absolutely going to die and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. To force a woman to continue to carry that baby is a cruelty I also cannot imagine.

I saw a friend's sister just last week. Some years ago, she had a fetus die at about five months. The hospital sent her home and she had to carry that baby for several days. I cried for her and I barely even knew her.

Edit: Oh fuck. I just realized something. I always wondered why the hospital sent her home instead of doing something and I just realized that she was at a CATHOLIC HOSPITAL. I wonder if they refused to remove the dead fetus. ::considers heading over there to choke a bitch at this late date::
Edited Date: 2009-05-31 11:26 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-05-31 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tygrrlyli.livejournal.com
May I repost this on my journal, with credit to you?

If not, I just want to say thank you. I have never been pregnant, I don't ever want to be pregnant. But stupidity in any form enrages me.

Date: 2009-05-31 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
Sure, go right ahead. God knows I'm not the only one who feels that way, so I'm fine with reposting or linking to it.

Date: 2009-05-31 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calicokat.livejournal.com
This atrocity was so incredible I don't have the words. That man was a fucking hero for women's health and it's fucking unbelieveable these "pro-life" murderers who value a dead fetus over a living woman can spread their hate like this.

Date: 2009-05-31 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] narrelle.livejournal.com
Your post was the first I read of this awful thing. I've just been reading a bit about Dr Tiller's history, and I think he was a courageous man, to keep caring for women's health in this way despite the abuse, legal witchhunts and repeated attempts on his life.

Date: 2009-06-01 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damnedfallacy.livejournal.com
He was a family friend, and he was truly, deeply committed to a woman's right to choose. He didn't do this to roll in the money, or for personal glory. He didn't stop when he was bombed, or when he was shot in both arms because he knew nobody else was willing to cowboy up and help women like he did.

And Operation Rescue can fucking 'denounce' the murder all they want. But they constantly denounced him as a 'murderer' and wished that 'God would take justice.' They picketed his clinic, yes, but also his home and church and his kids' schools. They told their sheeples that Dr. Tiller awarded vacations to his staff based on how many abortions they performed. So, they and their ilk may try to rest easy in the knowledge that they didn't pull the trigger, but they sure as hell set things in motion. Fuck. Them.

Oh, and thank you for this post.

Date: 2009-06-01 03:11 am (UTC)
ext_3718: (Default)
From: [identity profile] agent-mimi.livejournal.com
I'm so sorry about your friend. I live in Kansas and knew who Dr Tiller was by name, of course, and didn't hear about his murder until reading it on apocalypsos' journal. It was one of those things I was always afraid would happen since there had been so many attempts before.

This is hideous and awful and I'm just sick about it. There were SO MANY organizations and people who targeted Dr Tiller with lies and hatred, and they are all responsible. Not that Roeder isn't -- this is a guy who apparently drove from KC down to Wichita just to murder Dr Tiller. (Roeder hasn't been convicted, of course.) And you know many in those organizations, mostly in Operation Rescue, are praising the alleged murderer as a hero.

You said it!

From: [identity profile] tashien.livejournal.com - Date: 2009-06-05 02:31 am (UTC) - Expand

Date: 2009-06-01 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harmonyfb.livejournal.com
I hope you don't mind if I steal your post for my journal, because you said what I wanted to say.

Date: 2009-06-01 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
Oh, go right ahead. God knows I know I'm not the only one who feels that way.

(no subject)

From: [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com - Date: 2009-06-01 01:17 am (UTC) - Expand

Date: 2009-06-01 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wyoluvr.livejournal.com
Precisely my reaction!

Date: 2009-06-01 12:16 am (UTC)
kajivar: (Heathers // Fucking speech)
From: [personal profile] kajivar
THIS.

Date: 2009-06-01 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dmlpacker.livejournal.com
I think you expressed my emotions perfectly. In fact, I just read this out loud to my family. They agree!

Date: 2009-06-01 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paradisacorbasi.livejournal.com
See icon for indication of my agreement with your post.

Or, more enthusiastically, WORD THE FUCK UP.

Date: 2009-06-01 12:41 am (UTC)
ext_3673: Manny, from black books (Default)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_bounce_/
This. Exactly what you just said.

Date: 2009-06-01 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wtfbrain.livejournal.com
This.

I'm going to steal this and repost. This needs to be said, by everyone everywhere EVER.

Date: 2009-06-01 12:48 am (UTC)
alchemise: Stargate: season 1 Daniel (Default)
From: [personal profile] alchemise
This, yes.

Date: 2009-06-01 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soundingsea.livejournal.com
Yes. THIS.

They don't claim to be thinking about women at all. It's all BABIES BABIES BABIES. Like a doctor is running around bludgeoning a gurgling infant. Give me a fucking break.

Flames, indeed. FLAMES.

Date: 2009-06-01 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lunardreamed.livejournal.com
I just come down on the side of absolute choice. I don't need justification because you can never think of all the possibilities. Frankly, even if it was just because the woman was too "lazy" to get around to it beforehand, so fucking what? I think that we have to understand that no one but the person in question can make the right choice.

And I think that any Christian who is against the right to choose is a hypocrite. The religion is based in the idea that we have the free will to choose, and we are responsible for the choices we make. So, it's pretty hypocritical to set oneself up as the one to decide what choices we can make, when even God won't do that.

And even the Bible says that even if you are a true believer, you are still bound by the laws of man, so murdering and harassing people who are involved in an abortion is wrong regardless of justification.

Date: 2009-06-01 01:37 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-06-01 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ficangel.livejournal.com
You? Rock like a rocking thing.

Date: 2009-06-01 02:47 am (UTC)
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