Supernatural

[apocalypsos]

-- OH GOOD LORD THE WINCEST SLASHER. OMG. I LOVE THOSE FUCKERS SO GODDAMN MUCH.

-- AWWWWW, Sam's puppy-dog face when Bobby was all, "Lose my number when this is over!" Sheesh, you two idgits, you should have known he was possessed just from that.

-- Okay, so here's the thing. I know all the problems this show has with misogyny, and this may be an unpopular opinion (hey, MAY), but I'm okay with Dean dropping a "bitch" every once in a while. Not Sam, just Dean, and sometimes Bobby. It's not the show being misogynist. It's the character being a pig. Which is true. He's a hero, but he's still a pig. He's had barely any female influence in his life other than as sexual partners or villains. Like it or not, he's not going to be in the National Organization for Women. So while I'm not thrilled with him and smack my brother upside the head for the same language, Dean didn't have anybody to smack him upside the head for it (John had a lot of flaws, and being politically incorrect had to be a smidge of that). Sam, on the other hand, was the sensitive one. I have a hard time buying him dropping a "bitch" without a good goddamn reason.

Now, when it comes to violent female deaths ... yeah, that's a writer problem.

-- HI MEG. HIIIIIIIIIII. *WAVES*

-- BOOOOOOOOOOBBY.

-- ... okay, if what's going on here is what I think is going on here, Lucifer is just MEAN. (Yeah, okay, Lucifer, BUT STILL.)

-- Angels: Still dicks.

-- CASTIEL. *WAVES AGAIN*

-- *clappyhands*

-- I'm loving Mark Pellegrino. He's gonna make an awesome Lucifer.

-- If they really seriously drag God into this show as an actual character I will piss myself laughing. Especially if they cast a woman.

-- Correct if I'm wrong, folks: no violent onscreen female deaths tonight, right? Becky lived, Meg evacuated her body, Nick's wife died before the episode ...

-- D'AWWWWWWW, BOBBY.

-- "I have a GED and a give-'em-hell attitude." *fistbump*

-- Oh, boys. (Sam did kind of ask for that, though.)

NEXT WEEK: JO. ELLEN. RUFUS. \o/

EDIT: Oh, oh! I almost forgot about Bobby's legs. Which is SO SAD. But here's the thing. If they don't heal him eventually, not only are they bringing back female characters and POC characters, they're giving us a regular character with a disability. Which is kind of awesome, really. And if they do heal him sooner or later, YAY BOBBY!

OTHER EDIT: Also ...

Sam: Meant to break the final seal and raise Lucifer.
Dean: Meant to break the first seal and be Michael's vessel.

The Winchester gene pool, ladies and gentlemen. Hell, I'll stick with the one that gives me a big butt and a five-head, but thanks.

Comments

[tinylegacies.livejournal.com]

Okay, so here's the thing. I know all the problems this show has with misogyny, and this may be an unpopular opinion (hey, MAY), but I'm okay with Dean dropping a "bitch" every once in a while. Not Sam, just Dean, and sometimes Bobby.

Yes. This. Much like the whole "Dean slapped a girl omg!" No, he slapped a demon who happened to be inhabiting a female body.

Also, I must confess, I fell for the Bobby thing. *hangs head in shame*

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Seriously. It would be completely unrealistic to go through the show without the male characters throwing down an occasional epithet, with the frequency depending on the character. There's a reason we have so many discussions about issues of sexism: because they exist in real life. And they have to exist in fiction, as well, at least from a character standpoint.

There's a big difference between "The writer is a misogynist" and "The character is a misogynist." Look at Mad Men, for heaven's sake. It's sexist as hell, but that's because that's the way it WAS.

[catystorm.livejournal.com]

Oh this show. That's all I can say, because I was too busy making all sorts of shrieking noises at the TV and oh my god the fangirl. The fangirl.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I missed the first few seconds of the fangirl because I was setting up my TV for Project Runway, and when I came back I died. I love when they pick on us. 'Cause, yeah, we ARE weird but, hey, they kid because they love. :D

[pushingyouaway.livejournal.com]

*twirls* i love my show!

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

*twirls with you*

[kimberlyfdr.livejournal.com]

It takes a powerful man (Kripke) to make me actually feel sorry for Lucifer.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I know, right? Poor ... evil, evil baby. :(

[telaryn.livejournal.com]

In my head, Meg's comment about sending Sam a fruit basket was totally Kripke reading your fic. *g*

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

OMG I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT. I SO FAIL.

FRUIT BASKET. \O/

[tripoli8.livejournal.com]

Dude, that wincest slasher was God.

I mean...it's possible.

You've never seen them in the same place, is my point.

[foenix.livejournal.com]

I really don't have a problem with Sam OR Dean calling various demons bitches. I mean...they're demons. Not exactly saints. ;) On top of that, they've been trained since they were very young, Sam probably almost all his life, to hate these things, that killed their mother. That's some pretty deep hatred to try and unravel. I'm sure if the show was on HBO, we'd get some pretty harsh words for the male demons too. We do get the occasional "dick" for angels, and bastards, and etc.

And Bobby is so the grumpy, bearded Professor X to our boys now.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I mean, gendered insults are a problem, whether it's women or demons. That said, if neither one of them ever called someone -- woman, man, demon, whatever -- a bitch, I'd be shocked and wouldn't buy it.

It's like the Bitchwatch. My main problem when I did that, in retrospect, wasn't that the insults were gendered (although that's a problem), it was the sudden inexplicable increase in them. That felt like a "misogynist-writer" problem, which is serious, rather than a "misogynist-character" problem, which is a character flaw that, while unappealing, is a sadly normal personal problem that people do have.

[squee1123.livejournal.com]

at sam's puppy dog loo, my sister went "JESUS CHRIST, did you see how young he looked there? That was some Gilmore Girls shit right there! Wow!"

i loooved the guy playing lucifer. i loved the whole SCENE with lucifer convincing him to say yes, too. so awesome.

one of the lines that made me die?

"Can you stop touching me, please?"
"No."

I seriously almost fell off of my couch while she was on.

[exsequar.livejournal.com]

*FLAPS AROUND* I LOVED THIS EPISODE.

Mark Pellegrino is AMAZING. He had a fantastic stint on Dexter and I'm super excited. His shit was SO CREEPY tonight, YUM YUM YUM.

ACK MY HEART. I don't even knooooow. I haven't been this thrilled and overcome and pumped by this show since season 2. AND IT FEELS SO GOOD.

I hadn't seen the preview yet so when I saw your comment I actually had to scream into a pillow. JO AND ELLEN SO SOON MFING YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I fucking love those girls and I love that they're giving them another chance. PLEASE stick around, awesome badass ladies! PLEASE. And writers, LET JO BE WHO SHE CAN BE.

Eeeeeeee!

[azurelunatic]

It turns out that while my "dicks with wings" pantomime is super-effective, I am also banned from doing this while the show is actually on, because of this.