Your name is McG. Your argument is invalid.

[apocalypsos]

Hey, who wants to punch McG? I know I do.

So somebody asked the question:

Q: I was tickled by the gay geek couple revealed at the end of the recent “The Real Ghostbusters” episode of Supernatural. Do you know how that came about? A nod to the show’s many gay fans? –Gordon, Pasadena, CA

Okay, before we go any further, I don't think gay cred was really what they were going for there as much as they were going for the "OMG SAM/DEAN IRL EEEEEE!!!" angle, whether they mean to tease the fans negatively or not. And in a just world, they'd just admit that.

“A little bit [of a nod],” says McG, one of the show’s executive producers. “But it just felt organic, and it felt like time to do an episode that’s reflective of the world we live in, just be honest and get it out there.

... this is not that world.

Also, the fact that you can say "it felt like time to do an episode that's reflective of the world we live in" FOUR AND A HALF SEASONS IN is bullshit.

Jared and Jensen, everybody’s on board, we’re all forward-thinking, we’re not into bigotry at all.

Then maybe you should stop violently killing off all the female characters and making so many of the few black men you have on the show bad guys? Just a thought!

Hopefully, my shows [which also include The O.C. and Chuck] all speak fairly in that regard.”

"Chuck," maybe. I'm not quite sure about "The O.C.", since I only caught the occasional episode. But, dude, SPN does have problems, seriously.

McG tells AfterElton.com that he’s always at least tried to be progressive. He directed the movie Charlie’s Angels, for example. “When we were casting, I said, ‘I don’t just want three lily-white girls.’ So we went out there and cast Lucy Liu.

"See, I'm TOTES progressive, because this one time I cast an Asian chick in a major role!"

That’s also one of the reasons why I wanted to do an action movie with women, because at the time people said, ‘You can’t do a successful action movie with women.’ I’m a little bloody-minded.

That last sentence following the first one in an article about SPN is just ... yeah. (Granted, that's not what he meant by "bloody-minded", but still.)

I always want to take on the status quo. That goes for sexual orientation. I want to make sure it’s fairly represented at all times.”

"Fairly represented at all times," except for that we're five years into the show and they've only had four gay characters that I can think of off the top of my head ("Dean" and "Sam", Lily, the Ghostfacer whose name escapes me at the moment).

I want to pummel that man's obnoxious face with my tiny ineffective fists.

Comments

[squee1123.livejournal.com]

CORBETT. who then goes on to live in 90210.

[beanarie.livejournal.com]

It speaks of a lack of self-awareness to think that casting a hot Asian + two hot white girls instead of three hot white girls is all that mind-blowing.

[akire-yta.livejournal.com]

~sneaking into the thread~ I always thought that it was Drew Barrymore who gathered the cast and took the whole package of cast and script to the studios first

So, if that's true, it's Drew Barrymore we can thank for that, and not you McG

[beanarie.livejournal.com]

Ooh, he's a jerk then.

[akire-yta.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty sure I heard that on the DVD commentary for CA1 - Drew called the other two and talked them into it, THEN had to talk the studios into it.

Flower Films, man. Doing all the work, then getting the credit taken off them anyway

[smallcaps.livejournal.com]

this. taking credit for women's work is not progressive, mcg, it's same-old-same-old.

:|

[akire-yta.livejournal.com]

oh, but don't you see, the woman's work was good enough to steal, which means that women have made progress

...

gah, just trying to think in that model makes me want to take a shower. brb, going to try and wash that patriarchy right outta my hair.

[minim_calibre]

Sometimes, the alarmingly non-realistic demographics of Hollywood writers/producers/etc just SCREAMS off the page.

Dear McG.

Outta your Echo Chamber.

PS: having Olivia Wilde and Mischa Barton make out does not represent the vast diversity of the world we live in, or such crap. Not that I didn't appreciate it, because, well, Olivia Wilde.

PPS: also, I'm straining my brain trying to remember any non-white OC characters who weren't from Ryan's pre-OC hoodlum life. I don't think there were any.

OUT OF YOUR ECHO CHAMBER.

Sheesh, Hollywood.

[alexseanchai]

The Ghostfacer is Corbett, and it's canon that Dean's bisexual enough to be crushing on the Patrick Dempsey guy on Not!Grey's Anatomy. (Very recent canon, admittedly, but canon.) And I just rewatched Dream a Little Dream yesterday and I don't get the impression that Sam's any more annoyed at Dean asking if Sam's sex dream was about Brad Pitt than at the same question about Angelina Jolie.