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I kept meaning to post about the whole Ursula K. Leguin whitewashing-of-Earthsea thing, because the woman's got a point that just drives me nuts about book-to-movie adaptations sometimes. There are hardly enough decent roles in Hollywood for African-Americans and other people of color without Hollywood feeling free to pull stuff like this with characters for whom their race is so important to who and what they are. It's one thing to cast Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin -- I seriously can't think of a better actor the right size for the role, although how his performance turned out is another discussion entirely -- but the whole Earthsea casting issue boiled it down to that tried-and-true cliche of a world full of white people and That Magical Black Person. Thanks, but been there, watched that, was vastly more amused.

I think if I ever do get The Monsters of Minooka stuff published, and they decided to make a movie about it, the only thing I'd really press for with whomever they cast as Sean is that he be short. In my head, he's gone between looking like Dom and a shorter Nick Stahl in T3, so I've always pictured him as white and scruffy. But the major thing is that I wanted to write a short male hero, which I hardly ever see. Every hero or male love interest I always see is six and a half feet tall and drop-dead gorgeous and plated in muscle. Damn it, I wanted a wiry little normal-looking guy who spends half his time trying to prove that he can kick your ass. I want a severe sufferer of short-man's syndrome who's the first to yell, "You want a piece of me?!" and follow through on it. That's what I want. (Oh, and also, I've got a Mother Nature in three parts ... an elderly white woman, a middle-aged black woman, and a young Asian woman. They'd better damn well stick with that, or I'm going to have fits.)

Yes, that would be me counting my chickens. *eye roll* ;)

Date: 2004-12-17 08:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com
I saw that last night. I didn't know she could be that acerbic; more cool points to her, then.

You could go for broke and try for Peter Dinklage. Fantastic actor with more range than a lot of 'stars' out there.

Date: 2004-12-17 08:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
Not that short, alas. (Although I do think I have a part he could do. *g*)

Date: 2004-12-17 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com
Each time you hint at something like this, I want to read your books more and more. Please don't wait until I've graduated from college for them to be on the shelves. I'll...um...send you chocolate to encourage you?

Date: 2004-12-17 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wal-lace.livejournal.com
... You never watched a Mel Gibson or Sylvester Stallone movie? Hey, how about Tom Cruise? Arnold Schwarzenegger is only about 5'11, which is still taller than the other three. Oh, how about Michael Keaton as Batman? Oh, and Al Pacino is only about 5'6.

We've only recently started having tall heroes again.

Date: 2004-12-17 08:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
I meant in books, where they're constantly tall. In movies ... well, let's be honest about how many of those actors won't work without an apple crate. It's okay to be short and an action hero, you just can't be short on camera. (Well, not often, anyway.)

Date: 2004-12-17 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabra-n.livejournal.com
Well, not often, anyway.

Hugh Jackman standing in back of the other X-Men comes to mind. *snicker*

Anyway, yeah. One of the big reasons I sort of avoid most of the sci-fi genre is its overwhelming tendency to look like a romance novel with weirder outfits and spaceships. I'll just take my Asimov (and my LeGuin, too, though I think of the Earthsea books as fantasy) and sit quietly in the corner, thanks.

Oh, and that mini-series was just plain awful on any terms. I'm willing to forgive the occassionally laughable CGI because it's just television, but the acting was stilted the whole time and the way the creators squashed two books together didn't make much sense. Mostly because they're idiots. But I think that's been made abundantly clear. :/

-blue

What have _you_ been reading?

Date: 2004-12-17 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redhawk.livejournal.com
Because that's a really bizarre oversimplification.

Redhawk

Re: What have _you_ been reading?

Date: 2004-12-17 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabra-n.livejournal.com
It's what I see on the covers in my local library. Which, admittedly, is not a very good library. Oh, and the last sci-fi book I attempted to read was something by L. Ron Hubbard. Battlefield Earth, I think. It involved a busty woman in a skimpy buckskin outfit, and that's when I stopped reading. I just wasn't in the mood.

-blue

Judging books by their covers...

Date: 2004-12-17 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redhawk.livejournal.com
Is a bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad idea.

Really bad.

Kilobad.

Megabad.

And L.Ron's a crank. This is the guy who kicked off Scientology, you realize. And the first book in B:E is really atrocious. I've read it.

Redhawk

Date: 2004-12-17 11:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fangwen.livejournal.com
Joaquin Phoenix is 5'8. You wouldn't know it to see his movies.

Date: 2004-12-17 08:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skipthedemon.livejournal.com
I feel so sorry for LeGuin. She's one of my favorite authors, but movie producers don't get her at all. I haven't actually watched this mini-series yet, because I expect it to be so bad.

Appearently, Ged keeps saying he's just a blacksmith? Huh?

Although, I remember the PBS adaptation of Lathe of Heaven. That was pretty good, actually, if you forgive the tiny budget. But then, she was heabily involved in that one.

Date: 2004-12-17 08:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teenygozer.livejournal.com
The PBS adaptation of Lathe was pretty terrific: witty and well-acted. I didn't know she was heavily involved in that production! It showed! The more recent Lathe of Heaven done by -- was it the Skiffy Channel? Or TNT? -- that wasn't good at all, despite better SFX. I got bored and started channel-switching, and I'd watched the original Lathe about 10 times, which was every single time it appeared on a PBS channel my TV could get. I wonder if it's just that she's getting older and doesn't want to have to be on the front lines fighting the battle anymore is why the recent adaptations have been so bad? If she managed to help get a good Lathe out of the super-cheapskate PBS, she has the knowledge to work with modern productions to get what she wants, but I bet it's an uphill battle all the way.

Date: 2004-12-17 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skipthedemon.livejournal.com
My folks actually have the DVD of that version of Lathe (and I'm not sure how they got it, but I can ask). It has a lengthy interview on it about the production of it. It's cool stuff.

Date: 2004-12-18 08:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teenygozer.livejournal.com
I didn't know it came out on DVD, I've only ever seen the other one when I've checked! THANKS for telling me! You sent me scurrying off to check eBay, and yes, there it is! I'm going to buy it...

Teenygozer states the blindingly obvious

Date: 2004-12-17 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teenygozer.livejournal.com
I wonder why more writers don't put riders and instructions in their contracts when they sign away the rights to their books: oh yeah, they want to actually *sell* the rights and make money. I doubt the Skiffy Channel would have bought the rights to Earthsea if there'd been something in the contract about having to hire actors who looked a certain way (as in, NOT caucasian) in LeGuin's list of contractual demands. LeGuin said that she saw the name of the (well-respected) LotR writer and hoped that meant it would be done right, but she didn't have it written in her contract that the project was tied to that woman's participation. She wanted/needed the money, but once she signed away the rights without retaining creative control (because that's the only way anyone will buy the property unless you or the work are VERY famous), all she could do was hope for the best, and back away slowly with a nauseated look on her face when they delivered the worst, saying, "It's not my fault!"

It makes me very happy that LotR was done so right... but of course we had to suffer the horrors of Rankin-Bass Productions and Ralph Bakshi first!

Date: 2004-12-17 08:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornfields.livejournal.com
Heh! I hear you. Sounds a lot like *my* novel's protagonist.. Short, wiry, with an inferiority complex when it comes to standing up for himself (he's never really lived up to his "father's" image). He gets his ass kicked a lot throughout the novel despite his attempts to be the one kicking ass. He's just an ordinary guy thrust into extraordinary circumstances. I think that's far more compelling than the model-beautiful, all-women-desire-him, all-powerful "hero."

Are you putting any of Monsters on the 'net where people can see it? I know that some publishers have problems with that sort of thing (they'll consider you self-published and refuse to consider your manuscript as viable), which has stopped me. Like Diane Gabaldon, I'll post small sections here and there, cookies and teasers and that sort of thing, but nothing more substantial than that. But I know a lot of folks use Fictionpress anyway.

Personally, I'd like to get my writing and ideas out there to see if what I'm writing interests more than just me (and a couple of friends), but I don't want to jeopardize any chances I might have of publishing what is proving to be my life's work. ;)

Date: 2004-12-17 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] denial-girl.livejournal.com
Wow, she's pissed... and understandably so. I haven't seen the actual movie yet since we don't get Sci Fi up here to judge for myself, though. I'll have to wait until it airs on Space. I did see a clip on Daily Show when Isabella Rossilini was on and ew, ew, ew Kristin Kruek! Girl can't act. Isabella blew her out of the water. I'd be damned mad at that casting, too. And thank you Ursula for calling out that whole "violet eyes" thing.

Date: 2004-12-17 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silent-sybil.livejournal.com
It's like casting Eminem as Jim in Huckleberry Finn.

Rock the fuck on.

Thank you for posting that; it made me feel better. ^_^

Date: 2004-12-17 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfiepike.livejournal.com
a side-note about the short-man-ness: i found it interesting that wolverine in X-Men the movies is played by a tall guy and in x-men the comics, part of his whole character is that he's short and stocky. (i love 'em both, so this isn't a complaint, just a note.)

Date: 2004-12-17 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
Tell me about it. I remember when they first cast Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, seeing a rather geeky photo of him smiling wearing a baseball cap, and thinking, "Awww, man, they screwed up one of my favorite characters!" Hee. Boy, was I wrong.

I had a crush on him when he was hot and young and tall, and I had a crush on him when he was old and short and stocky. :)

Date: 2004-12-17 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepouncer.livejournal.com
Lois McMaster Bujold writes about a short here: Miles Vorkosigan. The first book about him is The Warrior's Apprentice. The two about his parents are Shards of Honor and Barrayar. And then there's a whole host of other novels. She's won several sci-fi awards (Hugos and the like).

Date: 2004-12-17 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepouncer.livejournal.com
Er, that first "here" should be "hero".

Date: 2004-12-17 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elorie.livejournal.com
I was going to mention Miles...Yay Miles!

speaking of white-washed Sci-Fi

Date: 2004-12-17 01:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com
I'm biting my lip in anticipation of the pain that shall ensue when the film version of Ender's Game that's currently in production is released, because deep in my soul I fear that there's no way they will have the one Mauri character, the savior of the world, survive as a Mauri all the way to the big screen. Which will just make me scream. And I certainly doubt they're gonna have Graff still be black, or Ender's best friend still be Arabic (not in this post-9/11 time, cowards), or have 3/4 of the children at the Battle School be of varrying colors (as a normal representation of world populations would be.)

Date: 2004-12-17 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wicked-dragon-x.livejournal.com
In my vampire story, the two Main Characters are a 5'4" Italian man (Rafe) and a 5'8" biracial (black/white) woman (Vic). Admittedly, they're pretty nasty people, as they're vampires, but the entire story is focused on vampires so no one is exactly Mother Theresa.

Rafe is just as dangerous as anyone else. He's small and quick and insanely stronger than he looks, and disturbingly charming. He's pretty much the only one who has some control over Vic.

So, er, the point was that yeah, short male characters can rock. And that different races don't have to be all Magical Non-White Person. Which is your point, so I guess I'm agreeing.

I am so coherent today!

Date: 2004-12-17 04:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] robling-t.livejournal.com
I want a severe sufferer of short-man's syndrome who's the first to yell, "You want a piece of me?!" and follow through on it.

One thing I'm working on at the moment has a protagonist who's 6'1" and STILL has a bad case of Short Man Syndrome because among his own people that's still shorter than some of the women... Hee.

Date: 2004-12-17 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinylegacies.livejournal.com
Damn it, I wanted a wiry little normal-looking guy who spends half his time trying to prove that he can kick your ass. I want a severe sufferer of short-man's syndrome who's the first to yell, "You want a piece of me?!" and follow through on it.

Why did Seth Green and Topher Grace pop into my head when I read that??

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