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[apocalypsos]

So.

Turns out I hate Kate.

I mean, I really hate Kate.

It's funny, because I didn't hate her like this yesterday, but as of today, she's going to have to pull some serious shit for me to get to like her at all. And it's not the kind of hate I have for Sawyer. I'm supposed to hate Sawyer, and I like hating him. I might think the man is pure, drawling SEX in a pair of low-slung jeans, but I also think he's a lying sack of dog crap and if I were on the island with him, I'd mostly just want to smack him upside the head with the first blunt object I could find. He'd make island life difficult. Kate would just annoy the hell out of me.

Okay, you know what? Let me separate my thoughts by character.

Kate -- So far, I've been trying to think of all of the reasons I officially hate Kate after tonight, and it looks like this:

1. Not just telling Sawyer it was her case. Lying? Yes. To Sawyer? Yeah, he's an exception to the "not lying" rule.
2. Not going directly to Jack and just telling the exact detailed whole entire truth. Okay, so she doesn't have to tell the bit about the bank robbery, especially considering no one would think anyone would be that stupid as to rob a bank and put other people in danger over a plastic fucking airplane.
3. She got three guys to rob a bank for her and put other people in danger over a plastic fucking airplane.
4. Did I mention the airplane? Because unless that airplane's got the cure for cancer or a homing beacon or an endless supply of money stuffed inside, I still can't see why we had to devote an entire episode to that, Kate's weeping aside.
5. ... so, the little plastic airplane doesn't even have little plastic rugby players she can pretend to crash into little plastic Andes mountains for the amusing display of little plastic cannibalism? Come on, people, I'm running out of ideas here.

In summation ... Kate? *headsmack*

Jack -- Okay, so Jack is always dense. Yeah, he's a doctor, but still. Jack, sweetie? She's not that cute. Seriously. Why don't you go find Striped-Shirt Girl among the extras and chase her? She hasn't lied to you yet (hell, she hasn't even had dialogue yet), she's kind of cute, and I doubt she graverobs for cereal box toys.

Sawyer -- You know that line of skin right above his waistband that's not tanned from the sun? I call dibs for licking purposes. Sweet Jesus doused in chocolate, that man is divine. He's also a schmuck, but let's not get into that.

Charlie -- Aw, puppy! *hugs him* On a serious note, just watching him break down made me wibble and want to cuddle him like crazy. On a less serious, non-plot related note, you know you've watched too much Law & Order when you notice that the makeup artist gave him the neck scarring in exactly the right place for someone hung from the neck. God, this isn't even a crime drama and I'm paying attention to that stuff. *eye roll*

Sayid -- I agree with everyone else. Looking around my room right now, I see a bottle of laundry detergent, nail polish, a stuffed Jerry Garcia doll, and a Legolas poster, and Sayid could have sexual chemistry with every single one of them. Of course, he was working it on Shannon, which is a nice choice to work with anyway. Which gets me to --

Shannon -- Shannon! Yay! Finally, they let you show more personality. *hugs* I know she's been bitchy, and I honestly couldn't tell you why I've liked her character, because Boone is right -- she's been useless ever since day one. But it's kind of like the flip side to Rose's denial. Rose's is the nice kind of denial. Yes, it's denial, but it's still the kind of denial that anyone of us could see ourselves being in if we lost a loved one like that. And when Rose said that thing tonight about how it's nicer living in denial, they drifted right afterwards over to Shannon, who spent the entire episode realizing that she couldn't live on that island for the rest of her time there pretending she's on an extended beach vacation.

In other news, I'm really impressed that Shannon was able to sing so steadily after the camera drifted away from her, because from the look on Boone's face, Sayid decided to let off a little sexual tension by starting a beachside porn show with Shannon right then and there. And then Boone joined in. And then Sawyer, too. I refuse to believe otherwise, so don't waste your energy arguing the point. :)

Boone -- Oh, poor, dopey Boone. Going anywhere with Locke right now is a baaaaad idea. And you know, I like the guy, because if I were on the island with him, he or Charlie would be the first guy I befriended. (And I would befriend a guy first, that's just the way I am.)

But what bothers me about Boone right now is the opposite of what I enjoy so much about Hurley. I love Hurley the best because he's all personality right now and no backstory. And even when he gets a backstory, I know I'm going to say, "That's his story?! That's so cool!" Hurley could turn out to be a guy who never left his bedroom in his parents's house until the trip and I'd say, "That's awesome!" Why I love him as a character does not depend on who he was before the crash, but who he's been since.

The opposite is what bugs me about Boone, because I like him, however needy and pathetically helpful he might be, but a large part of whether or not I turn out to love him depends on who he turns out to have been before the crash. Do I think he was sleeping with his sister beforehand, or only had a crush on her? Maybe. Do I think he's as gay as the day is long? That'd work for me. Right now, he's just a prettier Scott and/or Steve with more lines, and they'd better do something good with him next week or else I'm going to be pissy.

Locke -- Creepy as all fuck. But that's just stating the obvious.

Rose -- On one hand, I think she's sweet and well-meaning. On the other hand, if she turns out to be another Magical Black Person cliche, I'm going to roll my eyes. 'Cause I like Mother Abigail and all, but .. yeah. Cliche.

Sun -- Can't remember who pointed out that her not telling anyone she speaks English makes for good spying on her part, but how very true. And if she's working with Jack on the island medicine, then I'm guessing Jin's laying off the protective vibe finally. (Although not like anyone could tell, since he's not around. Sheesh.)

Hurley -- My favorite guy got one line. Watch me be pissy. :(

So, is it next week yet? Because if network television is going to grow big enough stones to give me canon incest, I want to be there when it happens.

Comments

Okay...

[pknight.livejournal.com]

Forgive me for just jumping in, but I recently friended you, after seeing you on metaquotes for, like, ever.

But I only just got into Lost. I saw the two-episode runs, but I missed what happened to Claire. What happened? I mean, there's Charlie (and you're so right about 'shipping them) acting like Rose just after the crash, and I feel so bad for him, 'cause he's not jittering any more, and I like that... Sidetracked. What happened? What's with the French woman? I missed lots of stuff, and I thought tonight was going to be another catch-up night. But noooo...they had to shove me into stuff I didn't get.

So...help? Please?

Re: Okay...

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Ooo, ooo, ooo!

Okay, what happened to Claire -- she and Charlie were off in the jungle talking (well, she was in labor, but it died down towards the end), and they weer coming back to the caves just as the others realized one of the castaways, Ethan, wasn't on the plane's manifest. Cut to Ethan, who kidnaps the both of them. (That happened offscreen, asied from a creepy shot of him just looking at them.)

The next episode, Jack and Kate went after them (Boone and Locke went the other way) and Jack got confronted by Ethan, who said to leave him alone or he'd kill one of them. Yeah, like Jack listens to warnings. So he and Kate keep following and stumble upon Charlie's prone body, strung up in a tree with a blindfold over his eyes, dead as a doornail. They cut him down and give him CPR for several days weeks minutes before he finally takes a breath and comes back to life. However, they didn't find Claire or Ethen, so they're (theoretically) still out there somewhere.

As for the French woman, Sayid went off to map the island after torturing Sawyer and got "captured" by Rousseau, the French woman. She toyed with him for a whole episode (during which everybody else played golf) and rambled liked the nutball she is before Sayid grabbed some of her notes and escaped.

Actually, if you want much more detailed summaries, try <ahref="http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show.cgi?show=136">Television Without Pity. Trust me, you'll get totally caught up in no time. :)

Re: Okay...

[lots42.livejournal.com]

Or just go read the joy that is Cleolinda's [1] summaries. -And- you don't have to deal with the fifty thousand ads on every page of 'Without Pity's' site.

Hurray!

[1] I don't know how to do journal name links.

[thebratqueen.livejournal.com]

I was so, so trying to like Kate, and then she gave the case to Sawyer. Like what is this, the passive-agressive Olympics? You have it, you said it was yours, just walk off with it, woman! Why the frikkin' game playing?

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I know! Jesus, it's like she has this machine that freezes time and tells her the right and wrong decision to make in any given situation, and every time she uses it, she pick the wrong decision on purpose. *gags*

[sexybee.livejournal.com]

*waves* Hi, I'm a long time lurker on your LJ, and I just wanted to join you in expressing the Kate rage because, you know, you basically said what I've been saying since I saw the teaser last week, i.e. unless whatever is in the suitcase is able to get them off the island or find Claire, it's just not worth devoting an entire episode to it. And a plastic plane? Even if it *is* an Oceanic plane, who cares?

Also, I'm pissed at the writers for not having Sawyer suggest skinny-dipping. We have already established that the man does not mind swimming naked in front of Kate, and walking around in wet blue jeans feels icky. I cannot have been the only one chanting "Strip, strip, strip!" when they found the waterfall.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Even if it *is* an Oceanic plane, who cares?

Exactly, especially considering she was just on a real one, and it crashed, and lots of people died. So unless there's a button on the back of it that she can push that'll inflate the damn thing to life size, I'm not interested.

And I'm really not interested if it's just an heirloom. Because all this trouble over that?! Gyah. After that, I'd much rather Sawyer and Jack just stop getting possessive over Kate and just make out with one another. And Sayid. And Boone and Shannon and Charlie ... okay, now I'm in a happy place. :)

[singeaddams.livejournal.com]

Mmmmaybe someone (she loved?) got to the envelope before Kate could and left the toy there to mock her? So she tracks him down and accidentally kills him while she's trying to get the real treasure? (Because I don't think she organized that blood-fest for the sake of a tree ornament either.)

Hell, maybe Claire's psychic-friend drew ALL the passengers onto that plane, YEEHA! (And, damn, does it cheese me off that no one's found her, yet.)

[ex-zombieham605.livejournal.com]

This was the first time I managed to see it, and I kind of ignored the rest of the story when Sayid appeared. I mean...wow.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I know. Mmm. He said that line about, "Well, that's one way to learn a foreign language," to Shannon, and all I could think was that if I were her, I would have turned to him and said, "What would I have to do to learn Arabic in this joint?" *bats eyelashes* ;)

[foresthouse.livejournal.com]

WTF was up with the Plastic Plane of Pointless???

I am so adrift in a sea of WTF that this episode just kinda disappointed me.

Except for the Sexy Sawyer & Sayid bits.

Although the nasty dead people kinda put me off for a bit. Ew.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_lore/]

Oh, man, that's so funny, because I came away from the episode with a hate-on for Jack, not Kate. Since when did Kate become a big liar just because she doesn't tell everyone she's a wanted criminal? Locke isn't ponying up that he couldn't walk before the plane crashed. Jack didn't tell why his dad went on a giant bender. But suddenly, it's "Kate, the liar." Feh.

love, lore

[lots42.livejournal.com]

Most of them are big liars in some damned way. But Kate is just 'Dude, WTF, way to not have a survival instict there, woman'.

(I wouldn't be suprised if Hurley turned out to be an embezzler or a ninja)

[dargie.livejournal.com]

Apropos of Kate: I don't hate her, but I don't like her any better than I did the last time I saw her which wasn't that much. Either there is WAY more about that plane that we're going to learn (and isn't it really interesting that it was a plane instead of, like, a light-up Tasmanian Devil, or a Silent Bob inaction figure?) or she is the stupidest woman in the history of weirdass primetime fantasy shows.

Hurley: God, I so love that man.

Michael: He had me smiling this week. Of course that I still see him as some kind of post-Oz reincarnation of Augustus Hill helps.

Shannon: I can't say I ever liked her, but yes, thank god she actually showed some personality tonight.

Sayid: If he looked at me like that I would magically just KNOW French, rather like becoming spontaneously pregnant with language, you know?

[dargie.livejournal.com]

Oh, and didn't Sawyer's attempts to open the case remind you of the chimps with the American Tourister luggage?

[fmith.livejournal.com]

WHY didn't Kate just say "The marshal had guns in there which we should get. Oh, I have some personal things in that suitcase." Like, Jack's generally a nice guy. I think he'd understand.

And do people generally know what a Halliburton (or whatever) looks like, and that you can't pick it?

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

WHY didn't Kate just say "The marshal had guns in there which we should get. Oh, I have some personal things in that suitcase." Like, Jack's generally a nice guy. I think he'd understand.

That was the one thing that broke me the most. He already knows she's a criminal, and she's got him wrapped around her finger. "I know this might seem like a lot, but that little airplane means a lot to me" is not that difficult to say.

Sheesh. That little bugger better turn out to be REEALY important.

[bishounenhuntrs.livejournal.com]

I've just gotten into Lost myself.
(Thanks for the link to the TWP summaries, BTW.)

On Kate: I don't hate her. That toy plane is most likely a link to something in her life that caused a lot of trauma. You don't get as obsessed over it as she is without a reason.
Also, people have done worse for less.

That doesn't mean that I would trust her as far as Jack can pick up and throw the island, though.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

That's the thing, though. She couldn't just come out and say, "I'd like to get my plane out of that case, because it means a lot to me." She had to complicate the hell out of things by manipulating Jack and Sawyer like a pair of trained monkeys.

Yeah, she's probably got lying ingrained into her brain permanently by now, but still.

PS

[bishounenhuntrs.livejournal.com]

Just so you know, I'm not a Kate fan.
If I had a fan-on for any of the women characters, it'd be Sun.

Re: PS

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Oh, yeah. Sun is just awesome. Although Claire's still my number one, mostly because of how Charlie turns into a big helpful puppy dog when she's around. (*sobwail* She's not back yet! ANGST.)

And I do like Shannon, I do. I can't even explain it. :)

[lots42.livejournal.com]

Sun probably found some Magical Island Leaves to make Jin sleep a lot.

[neadods.livejournal.com]

Now for me, Kate only worked with Jack when she was squeaky-clean and Misunderstood. Now that we know she's a lyin' cheatin' killin' wench, I think she works amazingly well with Sawyer.

Speaking of whom, did you read that article about the actor in this week's TV Guide? Turns out the man's a total cupcake.

[beanarie.livejournal.com]

I agree completely. Both my friend and I were like, "KISSNOWDAMNIT" each time those two ended up on top of each other. And those little smirks they kept sharing, whoa.

[wenchamok.livejournal.com]

You know that line of skin right above his waistband that's not tanned from the sun? I call dibs for licking purposes.

Too late. Everything from the ribcage to the...well....that's MINEMINEMINE!

I do accept bribes to share, however....

[thebitterguy]

Did we even see Locke this week?

I love the guy, because of all the people on the island, he alone knows the truth. Whatever brought them there, he's seen its face, and knows its will.

As for Kate: not Hate, but What Were You Thinking? seems to be the current response. There's obviously a LOT of meaning behind that plane.

[fyrdrakken]

I love the guy, because of all the people on the island, he alone knows the truth. Whatever brought them there, he's seen its face, and knows its will.

Judging by the preview for next week, Shannon has a run in with it, and if she survives that could be interesting...

[siegeofangels.livejournal.com]

Last night was the first night I watched LOST. I like it, but I just can't get over the fact that these people seem to spend a lot of time thinking about things that aren't food.

I am likewise disappointed that we went through all of that for a plastic airplane. Do ANY of these people tell the truth, ever? Or ASK for stuff? You'd think they'd want to work together.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Well, food's not that much of an issue anymore. They're got fresh water, there's fruit a-plenty, Sun knows all the edible plants, and Locke's been hunting wild boar pretty successfully ever since a few episodes back.

And as for the truth ... yeah, most of them are lying about something. Admittedly, usually not as annoyingly as last night, but still. Just wait until next week. It'll get better, 'cause even if it's not incest, Boone and Shannon's secret has got to be pretty good. (Please let it be incest, please let it be incest. *crosses fingers* Sheesh, I can't believe I'm rooting for canon incest.)

[ficangel.livejournal.com]

Yes, thank you! Last night was the episode that moved me straight from "Eh, actress has talent if not yet skill" on the subject of Kate and into, "God, I hope she's the one wearing the fugly shoes next week." How hard would it have been for her to go, "Look, there's something of sympathetic value in that case, but there's also a shitload of guns and Sawyer's not the most responsible dude on the beach"? Without playing up the big doom angle when A) she doesn't seem to feel all that threatened by Sawyer and B) these guys have in a torture situation that she knew about and was morally moved enough to protest about, and from this can reasonably extrapolate that it might not take a lot to make the dogs of war start barking again.

Kate just strikes me as an ultimately personality-less (how apropos) manipulator. Ick.

Word on Sayid, though. I want him and Shannon to keep up with the flirtation (or more, I'm always up for island orgy) both because it will smack down the stereotype about Muslims and their preferences when it comes to ladies, and because we'll get that smile again. Dude, I would have completely made shit up if it would have meant I could be the one getting that smile.

[trishalynn.livejournal.com]

GRRRARRGH! I am so upset I missed the show last night, and my boyfriend didn't even get to tape it for us because my VCR is on the fritz. Off to lost_addicts to beg for a tape.

[denial-girl.livejournal.com]

I think that's what's driven me nuts so far about Lost promotional stuff, is that they keep focusing on Matthew Fox and Evangeline Lilly, and they play the two most boring and/or annoying characters on there. Yes, they're the leads, but when they're on screen, I keep wondering what Hurley, Sun, Sayid, Charlie or Locke might be doing somewhere else.

Yes! And their flashbacks are dead boring, too. But I've always been bored by Kate and her wangst. The whole trying-to-get-the-suitcase-from-Sawyer thing was stupid, and not at all interesting. Plus stupid, stupid Jack, knowing Kate lied to him about the key and still helped her get the case. I hate how everyone just does her bidding. And anyway, why the hell would Jack think it would be a good idea to open a case filled with guns on a deserted island where there has already been a ton of fights, torture, a stabbing, a kidnapping, and an almost-hanging? I mean, Vincent the shifty-eyed dog would know better than to do that.

I hate the idea of Shannon and Sayid together. No no no. Of course I couldn't blame her but I think Sayid deserves someone as super awesome as he is. Too bad I don't think there's any female on the island good enough for him since the only two I like are Claire, who is obviously for Charlie, and Sun, who I just know in my bones is going to have a thing with Michael.

Is it sad that as soon as Shannon said "that movie with fish" I shouted "Finding Nemo! Beyond the Sea!"?

[drewbeartx.livejournal.com]

As annoying as Kate is becoming, I'm more interested in how, well, evil Jack is becoming. Sure, he's Captain Doctor Hero Jack, but he also knowingly aided and abetted the torture of Sawyer, he just pulled a really nasty threat on Sawyer (I've seen cases of blood poisoning before; it's insanely painful.), he's helping a known criminal and liar, and he seems utterly convinced that everything he does is Right And Good.

On the other hand, Sawyer looks to be turning into a good guy. Yes, he's obnoxious. Yes, he's a hoarder. Yes, he's a bit of a bigot. But he's never done anything bad. He didn't withhold the inhaler 'cause he didn't have 'em in the first place. He didn't steal the water. He's willing to donate stuff when asked *NICELY* (remember Hurley's request?). In fact, the only flat-out wrong I can remember him doing while on the island was not telling Kate that Jack was buried in the cae-in, and she kinda asked for that with her behaviour.

And I don't really see Jack as The Leader. Jack's the hero, the one who goes off into the wild unknown; Hurley is the leader. He's the one who gathered the food and water off the plane and organized the distribution. He's the one who got everyone to unwind with the golf mini-tourney. He's the one who came up with the idea for and took the census. Jack & Kate may be slotted/plotted to become Mr. and Mrs. Island Presidents, but Hurley's the one who's actually keeping things running.

[fyrdrakken]

Probably a good thing for Hurley, though -- the one who has the low-prestige job of keeping shit running may be able to avoid the fallout when things go very badly and the group blames the "leaders."

[dreamt.livejournal.com]

That episode annoyed me to no end.
What was with the happy frolicking dolphin act in the water, for one.
Another excuse for a zoom-in on Kate's ass? (Because they do zoom an AWFUL LOT in on her ass >.<)

She can't stand Sawyer but suddenly they're all beach-vacation and tickling each other in some lake.

Her whole backstory makes me cringe and Jack? Is such a Mary Sue (a big reason your "Hurley writes fan-fic" story cracked me up was his reference to the mary-sue litmus test).

But it was a tiny bit refreshing to see that she hadn't, as me and my friends had predicted, guilty of stealing money to save a bunch of orphaned puppies or something. She really is scum.
I hated her, then she managed to redeem herself with Charlie's hanging because damn she did the hysteria thing well. But now she's on the black list again.

And they better make a cool ep for Boone and Shannon. I can't wait to see their story!!
/rant