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[apocalypsos]

I just got back from seeing Batman Begins. My quick thoughts ...

-- I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH THAT MOVIE. And not just for the pretty, but for the talent. My God, the fucking talent.
-- I'd also like to borrow Jim Gordon and do naughty things to him, mostly involving worship.
-- And Alfred, too. Also for the worship.
-- I'd just like to say that my grandfather's name is Alfred and that now makes him about five kajillion times cooler in my book simply because of Michael Caine's portrayal. I know that sounds stupid, but me ... yeah, not really caring. ;)
-- I know there's a whole thing about the misogyny of the Batverse because most of the women are victims, but seriously, on the flip side, most of the men are batshit fucking insane. I think if all of the strong women and sane men in Gotham got together every Saturday night for a six-pack of beer, there'd be three beers left and that's only because I doubt Selina Kyle would want to be the least bit drunk around any of those people.
-- Cillian Murphy's awfully pretty, isn't he?
-- No, really.
-- No, really. The thing I was most frightened of during his scenes wasn't the whole Scarecrow thing, but the chance that I might leap from my seat and run up to the screen to lovingly nuzzle his lips.
-- ... yeah, I don't get me, either.
-- I didn't hate Katie Holmes. Like, at all. Of course, she did the one thing I'd do if I got anywhere near Bruce Wayne, which is pretty much smack him upside the head and say the polite equivalent of, "What in the ever-loving FUCK is wrong with you?!"
-- Having said that, Christian Bale solidly trumps Michael Keaton in my book. Seriously.
-- Although Michael Keaton was an excellent Batman, but still.
-- One day, Bruce will learn that he doesn't actually have to tell the obligatory vagina who he really is.
-- That will probably be after he goes through every vagina in Gotham.
-- Literally.

Comments

[dawning-star.livejournal.com]

Doubt it needs to be said, but the last three lines will be metaquotes'd.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

Right. Now I finally get around to say just how damn much I love your icon.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_redpanda_/]

Dammit, I wanted to MQ the part about Selina Kyle! *sulks*

[callmesyd.livejournal.com]

I love that movie, too. I need to go see it againandagainandagainandagain, but I also need to be able to afford to go see Potter and Narnia and if I don't watch out, Batman Begins could BANKRUPT ME.

I didn't hate Katie in the movie.. it was just hard to look at her and think "Rachel" as opposed to "Katie", since, well.. yeah. My mom was worried about how she spent half the movie only speaking out of one side of her mouth, whereas I spent the last few scenes distracted by her man-eating nipplage. I did giggle when she bitchslapped Bruce (TWICE!), though, which makes her the second most badassed Bat-chick evar. Nobody trumps Selina. (yet)

Cillian Murphy is, indeed, awfully pretty. I actually wasn't too swoony before the movie, but I guess I have a thing for REALLY PRETTY PSYCHOPATHS. Who knew?


And lastly:

GORDON GOT TO DRIVE THE CAR SQUEE

[trishalynn.livejournal.com]

Me and my friend saw it last night and we TOTALLY hated Katie. Because she was so Katie and not Rachel. She's cute and all, but still... her only purpose in that movie is to let the audience know that Bruce Wayne will never have a woman. But that point could have been better shown off if we'd seen any chemistry between them and it just wasn't there. Bale had more chemistry with the evil CEO than with her.

[wal-lace.livejournal.com]

I agree with pretty much everything you said, except the part about wanting to nuzzle the screen. Just to reiterate: Michael Caine is the best thing in that movie. Which is like saying "the most magical thing in Hogwarts".

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Oh, I loved Michael Caine's Alfred. Charging into the fire to save Bruce, casually helping him outfit the cave, settling into the leather seat on the jet back home from Asia ... HEE. LOVE HIM.

[slodwick.livejournal.com]

I hate to say it, because Christian Bale gives me the creeps, but he *is* Bruce Wayne/Batman. He was simply born to play this role; it's fantastic, and I have to admit that he's sexy as hell in this role.

I went into this movie expecting not to like it as much as every. single. person I know seemed to, but I really couldn't help it. It was phenomenal, despite the Katie and Cillian. *g*

[fyrdrakken]

OMJesus your icon. (Me, I spent the whole movie wondering who he reminded me of before realizing he looks like Tom Welling's evil older brother.)

[foxxydancr.livejournal.com]

I agree to the Cillian Murphy Yum Factor, and I never tend towards celebrity crushes. But the eyes, dear god, the EYES...

Yeah. take my three favorite actors (freeman, caine, neeson), add a pretty man in a bat suit, and a psychopath with gorgeous eyes, and I'm a happy girl.

(although, I don't think Neeson was the right choice for that role. But maybe I'm just not used to him as a bad guy)

[callmesyd.livejournal.com]

I loved Neeson in that role. I saw Watanabe credited for Ra's and was "ehhhhhhh... retelling so I GUESS it's okay..." and was left wondering who the hell Ducard was. So, with the big reveal, I was all a-squee and realized I should have known right off the bat because NEESON PRETTY MUCH HAD THE CANONICAL FACIAL HAIR. And that, friends and neighbors, takes talent.

I'm still pouty he never called him "detective", though. ;_;

[pescivendolo.livejournal.com]

Cillian Murphy IS pretty. But does it bother you that in the 21st century we still make sure the evil character is easily recognizable by his eyeliner? Reminds me of Talented Mr. Ripley and all the old "gayness is something you pick up in the boys home and then it makes you eeeeevil" stuff from the 50s. 60s too maybe.

[wal-lace.livejournal.com]

Hey, the good character wears eyeliner too. He just also wears a bullet-proof Leather Daddy outfit with it.

[oloriel.livejournal.com]

*has to agree wholeheartedly*

[paradisacorbasi.livejournal.com]

No fair. The Michael Keaton Batman didn't tell Vicki Vale who he was. Alfred outed him.

This one, at least, was the least offensive Bat-outing, imo.

Re: Revealed Identities

[kkglinka.livejournal.com]

And he didn't reveal his identity to Selina either. They just both said/did revealing things and went, "Bweh?" at the same time.

[catystorm.livejournal.com]

I WANT TO SEE RACHEL AS TWO-FACE.

And that's that.

And the blonde kid could be Jason a Robin. He could. The movie can make its own canon as long as it's good. XD *so, so badly wants to see an actual kid as Robin*

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

That would explain that thing Katie Holmes does with her lips when she smiles.

[pastaqueen.livejournal.com]

Whenever Cillian Murphy was on screen I kept thinking "Damn, Scarecrow's obviously psychotic but he has the most gorgeous blue eyes I've ever seen."

Katie Holmes surprisingly didn't annoy me either, though she's annoyed me in just about every other movie I've seen of hers. Don't really know why.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Oh, yes. I couldn't take my eyes off his lovely lips all that often, but his eyes really are gorgeous.

And she wasn't bad at all in Wonder Boys, but then again, nobody was bad in Wonder Boys. Now, there's a movie that seriously doesn't get enough mention.

[rosetapestry.livejournal.com]

Christian Bale solidly trumps Michael Keaton in my book

Woohoo! One of these days I'll have to go and watch the previous movies, but I was already thinking that it probably wasn't possible for anyone else to be better than Bale is.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I can still remember when the first movie came out -- how beforehand, everybody was like "Michael Keaton?!" and afterwards, everybody was like, "Dude, what the hell happened to Michael Keaton? He's GOOD. Like, really good." He was more about the acting, which was nice.

Val Kilmer was ... okay, but then again, I'm still pissed at Val Kilmer for thinking comedy was beneath an AC-TOOOOOOOR such as himself, when honestly, his best movies were his comedies.

As for George Clooney ... meh. I think I can safely say that the only thing I liked about that last movie was the way Chris O'Donnell looked in a pair of tight jeans.

But Christian Bale wins. Seriously. There should be a little Batman Oscar, and he can have it. :)

[lil1pinay.livejournal.com]

Christian Bale brought the angst, and then some.

Also, Cillian Murphy? SO pretty. Especially with the glasses. Though I didn't realize how short he was. He looked taller in 28 Days Later.

[ficangel.livejournal.com]

I wouldn't have been so bothered by Katie-as-Rachel if it weren't for the fact that, on paper? The script seemed to be suggesting very hard that Rachel was a sort of cynic ("My boss has been missing for two days, must troll the river" without batting an eye) who fights the good fight anyway, which pretty much would have made her Bruce's perfect woman. But then Katie takes the character and plays her so twee, like she was just saying the lines and not bothering to act at all. Only sour point in the entire movie for me.

With you on Cillian Murphy. Jesus. I didn't even realize he was the 28 Days Later guy until someone pointed it out to me. That man can bring the pretty liek whoa.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I think a lot of the reason I didn't really hate her was that my expectations were so low. After the whole Tom Cruise fiasco, I loathe her in real life anymore, and I thoroughly expected to despise her in the movie.

But you're right about the character honestly being pretty good for Bruce, which lifted her up in my estimations. Plus, the hitting. I don't think I could, if confronted with Bruce Wayne, resist smacking him with a clue-by-four. (I mean, I love the character, but I've never seen the term "batshit insane" be more apt.)

[miladygrey.livejournal.com]

-- Cillian Murphy's awfully pretty, isn't he?
-- No, really.
-- No, really. The thing I was most frightened of during his scenes wasn't the whole Scarecrow thing, but the chance that I might leap from my seat and run up to the screen to lovingly nuzzle his lips.

Me too. Oh, me too. The eyes, and that silky voice, and that MOUTH. I was just staring at him thinking, "There's going to be fic. Evil, wicked, slashfic. And I will read it."

Of course, I also thought the same thing about Bruce/Ducard and Alfred/Lucius. I had to deliberately remove my slash goggles several times throughout.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Alfred/Lucius

Oh, DUDE. I cannot begin to describe the wicked little thrill I got seeing those two onscreen together. I mean, I might not need to see the dirty slash with those two, but I definitely need them to hang out together again. Oh, yes.

[nuptse.livejournal.com]

Yes with the Cillian eyes. I leaned over to my sister (a big Cillian fan) during the movie and asked "are those real, or implants? 'Cause nothing in nature is that effing perfect."

-- One day, Bruce will learn that he doesn't actually have to tell the obligatory vagina who he really is.
-- That will probably be after he goes through every vagina in Gotham.
And just think... when he runs out of local vagina, he moves on to underage, athletic-type boysr. I'm rather afraid of what will happen when he runs out of those.

....mmm ManBatPain... Christian does it so well...as well as the bruising and halfnaked pushups...

[trishalynn.livejournal.com]

It's like they recognized that there would be chicks in the audience and put that scene in just for us. *LOVE*

[ex-zombieham605.livejournal.com]

There are tons of strong women in the Batverse canon. Barbara Gordon kicked ass as Batgirl and after her paralysis became arguably the most powerful hero in the DCU. Cassandra Cain (Batgirl II) beat Lady Shiva, someone even Batman couldn't beat. Black Canary, Huntress, Catwoman... not victims. Huntress has a similar origin story to Marvel's Punisher, Catwoman was once a prostitute, but neither can be called victims. There's also Leslie Tompkins, the doctor who runs the clinic in Gotham, and Renee Montoya on the Gotham City Police Department. One of these days I'm going to write an essay on Batman being a reasonably feminist-friendly series.