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[apocalypsos]

When I walked in the door at work, Lieutenant Asshat and Bossman asked me where to find the video of the beheading on the Internet, then laughed hysterically when I immediately blurted out three websites to find it on.

Great. I know where all the good gore is. What a lovely reputation to have. *eye roll*

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Re: Better that than...

[seferin.livejournal.com]

Troll Princess (trollprincess)
wrote:

' ... Lieutenant Asshat and Bossman asked me where to find the video of
the beheading on the Internet, then laughed hysterically when I immediately
blurted out three websites to find it on.'



[Bad username or unknown identity: said:]

I find being able to and wanting to send more people to view this atrocity
highly objectionable. And I live with Jen.



I'm really appalled and disappointed.

I am sorry if I offended you.  That was not my intention.  I find
it reprehensible that jokes were made about this video.  I understand why
someone would want to see it.  I am Jewish, and have seen may pictures of
the Holocaust, and will never forget what I have seen.  I do not view this
for pleasure, but rather that someone remembers the crime that was committed,
and seeks justice for the perpetrators.

When I was in college, I was once asked the difference between a Jew and a
Pizza.  The difference is that a pizza does not screen when it is put in
the oven.  Not very funny, is it?  And yet I equate the laughter of
Jen's coworkers with the man who told me that joke.

I would understand someone wanting to see the video.  It may be
horror.  It may be curiosity.  They may simply want to see what the
fuss is about.  Daniel Pearl was killed because he was Jewish, like
me.  There was outrage, and then the world forgot.  I fear that while
there is outrage now, the world will soon forget again.

As to wanting other people to see this?  I could see it as letting
others know of a crime being committed.  If the interest is not voyeuristic,
I do not see sharing the information as objectionable.

Re: Better that than...

[qnotku.livejournal.com]

I didn't find *your* comment objectionable, but rather Jen's comments and her posting links to places you could go see it. I understood your comment and agreed. There's a lot of prejudice, bigotry and ignorance out there, that need no help in perpetuating themselves. We should remember atrocities like this and others through history, in the hope that they will not happen again.

You say, "if the interest is not too voyeuristic, then I do not see sharing the information as objectionable." How many went to those sites out of anything but a morbid desire to see someone "really" die. Too many people don't want to watch that video to learn and to know what true hatred and pain and horrific suffering is. They look at it like it's something from a movie or television show -- just more graphic than usual. How many of them understood what they saw?

Jen's post really bothers me because my thought processes work more along the lines of: if that were my father, my uncle, my brother, my son -- would I want links to his slaughter passed back and forth over the internet like so many game demos? Would I want the comments of, "All I have to say is just ... ugh. And I have a strong stomach when it comes to mind, so the act itself isn't what disgusts me." It doesn't? What the heck does disgust you? Only the politics? THAT'S what I'm appalled and disappointed by.

Yes, Jen's co-workers definitely needed that bitchslap warning. Now if only Jen would think about what she posts, then maybe I won't feel like she needs one too.

Teri

Re: Better that than...

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Would I want the comments of, "All I have to say is just ... ugh. And I have a strong stomach when it comes to mind, so the act itself isn't what disgusts me." It doesn't? What the heck does disgust you? Only the politics? THAT'S what I'm appalled and disappointed by.

That's not it at all. It's not the act ALONE that bothered me. It was everything about it. Perhaps I should have phrased it better, but that's what I meant.

Re: Better that than...

[seferin.livejournal.com]

...Jen's comments and her posting links to places you could go see it.

I disagree. Strongly. I think she is a good person dealing with horror the best way she knows how. I think she is a wonderful person, who is trying not to cry.

Jen's post really bothers me because my thought processes work more along the lines of: if that were my father, my uncle, my brother, my son -- would I want links to his slaughter passed back and forth over the internet like so many game demos?

She has often posted what poor examples of humanity she deals with. She gave them the information they asked for without judging. She was brave enough to give them the information, to hope that they would be human. They failed. Her intent in laudable.

Now if only Jen would think about what she posts, then maybe I won't feel like she needs one too.

I disagree. I think she posted this hoping someone who help her not feel so bad about this. You are basing your opinions of her post based on your worst case scenarios of what the worst of humanity feels. If you think so little of her, why allow her to live under your roof.

Re: Better that than...

[qnotku.livejournal.com]

It's not that I think so little of her, but that I think highly of her. I could stand back and not say anything, but I'm honest enough -- like you say Jen is -- to say what and how I feel about this. And, if Jen is unhappy with what I think and feel it's within her rights to defend them to me as I'm defending how I feel to her. That's part of what real friendship is about -- being able to express how you feel to the person you believe is a friend without fear that they'll turn away from you because your views are different or because they're unhappy with something that you did.
And, to answer your last paragraph -- I wouldn't be much of a friend, would I, if I turned her out because I disagree with something that she's done. I also wouldn't be much of a friend if I only ever agreed with her. I'm a lot older than Jen and I have certain views on how I perceive life. Jen knew them before she moved in, they haven't changed in the year she's lived with us - they're not now or have never been anything new or shocking to her. Jen has always been like a younger sister to me, and if you can't tell a younger sister that you think what she's done is wrong, then obviously the connection isn't what you thought it was.

And with that I will let the subject drop, because it's obvious that I'm the only person replying to this thread that feels the way I do.

Re: Better that than...

[seferin.livejournal.com]

Fair enough. Please understand that no insult, offense, or ill intent was meant.

Re: Better that than...

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Actually, my co-workers weren't laughing at the video itself, but the fact that I knew where it was. They were more amused that as they put it, "You know everything, don't you?"