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[apocalypsos]

Screw you, America: Sometimes the fish in the barrel deserve to die -- Uh, I probably wouldn't read that if I were you and I voted for Bush, because that takes the concept of a pissed-off rant to an extreme. Ouch. (Although, an amused ouch, but still. Ouch.)

Jet Crashes Before Picking Up Elder Bush -- Urgh.

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[tinylegacies.livejournal.com]

Wow

That was harsh (and that seems like quite the understatement).

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

This is how I've been looking at it.

I live in Virginia. I voted for Kerry.

Virginia was a red state. I'm not a red-stater because the state went to Bush and I didn't vote for him. I'm in the minority in a state full of red-staters.

It's how I find the "red-stater" cracks less of an insult (even if they're not directed at people like you and me anyway, they're directed at the Bush voters).

[maryavatar.livejournal.com]

Man, I really enjoyed reading that. But that's because I'm an evil bitch, who watched all the US shenanigans like it was some experimental form of extreme reality TV.

[jrosestar.livejournal.com]

These are exactly the type of things that really tick me off though. They (the writers of such) blame the election on the "red staters." Well, I'm a 'red stater.' Not by choice...I am one of the 36% who voted for Kerry. (Or more realistically against Bush and all the Republicans)

If people don't like the election results blame the PEOPLE who voted for Bush - not the STATES. Even in 'blue states' a good percentage of people voted for Bush. Some states barely made it to blue.

If we did not have the Electoral College, then people would/could blame the PEOPLE who voted for Bush and complain against the PEOPLE, not the states. I don't like to be lumped in with all the Religious Right, Republican, Bush Lovers just because I happen to live in a red state. I happen to be a left wing liberal, lesbian, democrate who despises Bush. But I don't have any plans to move out of my red state any time soon, nor out of the US. Which - based on the results ALL of the US has elected Bush to the presidency again.

How would you feel if, regardless of how you voted, if your state happened to vote the majority for Bush? Then YOU would be a 'red stater' too.

[laurelin-kit.livejournal.com]

*raises hand* Red-stater. Florida. Mad as hell.

[nute.livejournal.com]

Aside from the guy who wrote the article being, what's the word I'm looking for - oh yeah, wrong, there's one major fallacy to the whole thing.

Not everyone voted for Bush because they wanted to oppress freedom and bomb more brown people. And not everyone who voted for Kerry thinks gay marriage and reproductive rights are important issues. Regardless of issues or platforms, the majority of people in the U.S. who voted (meaning the ones who count and whose opinions matter) voted for Bush. I wasn't one of them, but I've learned to accept what cannot be changed instead of doing like this guy and being a whiny bitch about it.

Fact is, you can't argue with numbers. If the majority wants a conservative state, then the majority gets it and we in the minority deal with it until it's time to vote again. Ranting and spewing vitriol is pointless, because all it'll do is turn people against what you're honestly trying to say. No one's mind has ever been changed by calling them a redneck fascist asshole.

No, I won't sit down and shut up, thank you very much.

[kielle.livejournal.com]

And no redneck fascist asshole has ever been turned around by reasonable intelligent discussion, either. Call 'em exactly what they are. And hope that over time, the slow fleeing leak of their best and brightest to the coastal cities will eventually dry 'em up.

...then again, that's been happening for decades and it's just concentrated the poison, and look what happened. >.< Well fuck. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. So we may as well stop turning the other cheek and say what we really think and to hell with 'em. Go down fighting...or at least if not fighting, then at least yelling and ankle-biting. ;)

PS: Then why DID they vote for him, eh? And why should I respect their reasons for doing so? I've been asking Bushies for WEEKS and never once gotten an answer based on actual sensible fact.

Re: No, I won't sit down and shut up, thank you very much.

[trishalynn.livejournal.com]

I know at least two of them on LJ, perhaps more, but I don't want to "out" them because they've not expressed a willingness to debate politics in their LJs. One of them's someone you know and it's not Hex. ^_^

Re: No, I won't sit down and shut up, thank you very much.

[nute.livejournal.com]

So it's yell and scream and rant without accomplishing anything? Wow, who does THAT sound like? :)

You've got the right idea though - change the people you CAN change, and understand that the majority right now has no interest in protecting the interests of the minority. Is it right? Depends on who you ask. It's certainly inconvenient for the minority. But that's why representative democracies aren't the best system of government. It's prolonging the fallacy that people are fit to govern themselves.

Go down fighting...or at least if not fighting, then at least yelling and ankle-biting. ;)

While that's a good platitude, in the end it solves nothing and is really nothing more than bitterness. How about instead of "going down" at all, regroup, re-plan, and have another go at changing things?


PS: Then why DID they vote for him, eh? And why should I respect their reasons for doing so? I've been asking Bushies for WEEKS and never once gotten an answer based on actual sensible fact.

Because the way things have been may have been advantageous to them, and they didn't see any reason to change it? Keep in mind that most people - conservative or liberal, are really out only to secure their own interests and comfort. It just so happened that this time that happened to be more than 50% who thought the last four years were just fine.

Re: No, I won't sit down and shut up, thank you very much.

[doqz.livejournal.com]

Actually leak works the other way, over the last decade more people left blue states for the red rather than other way around.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_inbetween_/]

i might post that first rant, especially after disappointed people lull themselves into the believe that in 4 years bush's downfall will be certain. it's so easy to be lulled and all be friends ...

*eyeroll*

[arks.livejournal.com]

So what does he wanna do, huh? Kill off all those evil red-staters? Toss them off the voting rolls like they're black and Floridian? No matter how loud and vitriolic you are, you're one vote. If you don't change minds in your favor, you fail at fair politics. I'm sure that felt very good for him to write. I don't think he accomplished jackshit.

[overloved.livejournal.com]

*rofl*

Thank you for that article. It's brilliant.