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No more reading wank communities at work if I'm going to get this upset over links like this.

Considering how many instances in my family there are of adoption through remarriage, I don't think I've wanted to punch someone so much in a looooong time. *seethes*
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Date: 2005-05-27 10:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] titti
She can't be serious, can she? I mean I started reading about supporting parents, blah, blah, and I'm thinking 'well, that's not so bad' since there is always a tendency of keeping biological families together, but then she goes off the wall. The woman is obviously insane.

Date: 2005-05-27 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fallofrain.livejournal.com
Wow.

Just wow.

I thought I'd seen all the asinine opinions possible on the internet.

That link just proved me wrong.

Date: 2005-05-27 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmesyd.livejournal.com
For serious. One of my aunts and my grandfather were both adopted into my family, but I didn't find out until recently - it just didn't matter. We love them, they love us, they're family. *shrug*

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Date: 2005-05-27 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gruyere.livejournal.com
Good gravy on a stick, that gal's nuts.

Date: 2005-05-27 10:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] suaine.livejournal.com
So she's enforcing the whole "blood=family" thing, eh? All I can say to her is: Fuck you very much, ass-wipe.

People like that make me want to be in another species.

Date: 2005-05-27 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amand-r.livejournal.com
This chick has never seen the kids that wander into the ER without a parent who's at the crackhouse, and just told their children to "go down the the ER" because they had a cold. And they're seven. And it's midnight on a Friday. But hey, that was their biological mother, so she must be the better parent, right

This is not to say that there aren't a lot of kids out there that have been taken away by the CYS that still don't have better care in Foster homes, but still, I'm a firm believe in removing children from this crap and placing them permanently with any good adoptive home that will take them. My world also has bunnies and unicorns and fountains made of chocolate.

Date: 2005-05-27 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joyfulgirl41.livejournal.com
Completely. Batshit. Insane.

*boggles*

Date: 2005-05-27 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
There are not enough clue-by-fours upside the head in the WORLD for that woman. Jesus.

Date: 2005-05-27 10:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ladysorka
...I'm insanely tempted to ask this woman what she thinks about couples that end up using sperm banks.

Date: 2005-05-27 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miggy.livejournal.com
She said in a later comment that the man in the marriage is not the father in any way, and should the sperm donator decide to claim fatherly rights, he's entitled to them.

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Date: 2005-05-27 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anne-jumps.livejournal.com
Bitch crazy.

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Date: 2005-05-27 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennimarie.livejournal.com
I especially love that she's wearing a pro choice shirt in her icon. As someone who asked her about it said, it seems like she's all for choice unless that choice happens to be to give your baby up for adoption.

Date: 2005-05-27 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jldecker.livejournal.com
I was so 2 seconds away from making that exact same comment. Great minds, I guess... o.-

I wonder what she'd think about someone who legally changed their last name to that of a step-father's when it became abundantly clear that the birth father wanting nothing to do with me-- er, that is, the child.

::shakes head:: I weep for the asshattery of the world.

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Date: 2005-05-27 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mice.livejournal.com
The fact that she seems liberal and supports this is quite disturbing. I wasn't adopted, but I am illegitimate and have never met the bio man. I can tell some things because I look a little different than my family in certain obvious ways, but the statement that because "nature makes families" gives him legal presence in my life makes me a little ill.

And guardianship is the answer? What kind of kid is going to grow up wearing a t-shirt, "I'm not wanted and that's okay!"? That is going to fuck someone up, especially as adoption is legal and quite accepted now.

And where genetics make up the personality? Can we call Penn & Teller Bullshit and have her on there with her "Pro-Choice Mom" shirt and just have them scream?

Date: 2005-05-27 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blacksatinrose.livejournal.com
............................

WOW. There are not enough WOWs to express the WOW of that.

Holy shit! I don't even have adoptions in my family history and I know that's incredibly ignorant and insulting, omg. GENETIC STRANGER? WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?

Date: 2005-05-27 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
What a glittering jewel of colossal ignorance.

It's better to keep a child in limbo with "guardianship" rather than give it a permanent family? What planet is this woman from? Because surely, she does not belong to the same species I do...

Date: 2005-05-27 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wtfbrain.livejournal.com
I think I read the first five comments and had to stop because the urge to reach through the monitor and strangle her with her own uterus was just too strong.

I mean, OK, I can kind of understand her point about honesty, and about people who aren't the parents pretending they are No, I can't. It's bullshit.

Date: 2005-05-27 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] etoilepb.livejournal.com
I want to punch her, too. My boyfriend and his sister are both adopted, and a lot of my parents' friends are gay couples who want kids.

Date: 2005-05-27 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] storm-maven.livejournal.com
I want to say that this woman is a fucking loon but I won't. All I can say is that I hope and pray she's never in a situation where adoption would have to be considered. Although I don't know anyone who was adopted, I do know several people that were in the foster system and it's wasn't pretty. Usually, at least where I grew up, the foster family only wanted you because they were getting a check (at least that was the situation with the people I know). There was only one person that actually wanted to adopt but my friend's biological mother intervened before it was finalized. To this day (she's now 37), she wishes that she was adopted.

Date: 2005-05-27 11:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] akacat
Wow. She's seriously an idiot.

Actually, she sounds like she's been brainwashed.

Date: 2005-05-28 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] svz-insanity.livejournal.com
I want to hit her.

Gods. My brain felt like it was slowly being sucked out by a bendy straw while I read through the entire thing. The entire blood=family, and blood relatives=good thing makes me think she lived a very sheltered life.

A couple of my friends are adopted, and their biological parents were horrible. That poster is effin' insane.

Date: 2005-05-28 12:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] abbylee
I get bad and have to read old posts when I find someone particularly crazy and I'm bored. I like how she also commented that the Terri Schiavo case went too long considering [her] parents are not her legal guardians?!

So, your birth parents are your birth parents are your birth parents... until you get married? That's some good hypocrisy.

I have two (sibling) cousins who were adopted at birth, and while it wasn't an open-adoption, it was never a secret in our family. We all have dozens of things that make us who we are today, and that's just one of them. Sometimes when our parents are being extra stupid, A will joke "well, thank goodness I wasn't at risk for getting that gene." But otherwise? Why would it come up?

We have a large extended family. My dad always says that the best part about having so many people around is that you only have to stay in touch with the people that you like. And the people that you like? No matter how they're related, they're family.

Date: 2005-05-28 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buffyx.livejournal.com
What. The. Fuck.

I have about four or five adopted cousins, all from Korea. The oldest, I know, had actually been adopted by a Korean couple, but when she was seven, they wanted to move to the U.S. and found out that they couldn't relocate if they had her-- so they dumped her in an orphanage. At the orphanage, which was actually one that Mother Theresa visited while she was alive, they cut her hair and took away her violin (her most prized possession-- she plays professionally now). My aunt adopted her when she was nine and pretty much saved her from a life of poverty.

I also had a friend who was shuffled around in the foster system before being adopted-- when she was thirteen, her adoptive mother died of lung cancer, and all she had was her adoptive father. She had a lot of issues; she was bi-polar, ended up getting pregnant by fifteen, had an abortion, ran away a few times, ended up living with an adoptive aunt out in Detroit. But at least she had people who cared about her.

I think there are definite problems with the foster system, and that with adoption comes complications, but I really despise this idea that your biological parents have some sort of claim over you that can't be breached. I changed my last name to my mother's maiden name when I was nine, and now I'm estranged from my entire biological family, aside from my mother, and was at one point looking seriously into emancipation.

Sometimes, shitty things happen and people have no way of being parents, which is when adoption becomes the best possible solution. One thing I've learned is that family isn't blood; family is the ones who are there for you, who take care of you when you're in need. For a lot of people, that doesn't end up being their biological parents.

Date: 2005-05-28 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buffyx.livejournal.com
Oh, and another thing that I find bothersome is how she keeps reiterating that women aren't making "informed" decisions, then goes on to talk about the psychological ramifications women aren't aware that they are their biological children will go through.

This seems to seriously underestimate women in general, not to mention trivialize the issue of giving up a child. It's a similar arguement to the one I've heard against abortion; women don't "understand" the emotional consequences. I don't think any woman makes the decision to give up her child (or potential child, if we're talking abortion) lightly.


Date: 2005-05-28 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dargie.livejournal.com
This woman is a total idiot. I told her so, too.

Date: 2005-05-28 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elbiesee.livejournal.com
That girl is ate up with the stupid.

My fiance plans to adopt my daughter (from a previous relationship that went terribly sour). To her, he's Daddy. Family goes beyond the borders of DNA, dammit.

I hope her parents sit her down one day and tell her she's adopted.

Date: 2005-05-28 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swingangel.livejournal.com
wow..I couldn't read past the first few comments....she really is pretty ignorant. I like the part about "it is quite impossible for a mother (or father) to make an informed decision to surrender a child."

What the fuck ever. I did it, and I have never once regretted it. I love my son, I miss my son, but never once have I thought that I did the wrong thing. *sigh*

Date: 2005-05-28 04:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_redpanda_/
Wow, what a loony. tl;dr

Date: 2005-05-28 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kittikattie.livejournal.com
Dude, I'm not a fan of neonate adoption (for various reasons) and I think she's guano. There is a difference between "I don't like adoption of newborns and would prefer it not happen" and "I don't like adoption of ANYONE and don't want it to happen."

Date: 2005-05-28 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] etymological.livejournal.com
I have adopted friends, and if I were to ever want children I would do everything in my power to adopt (I could never, in good conscience, pass these genes on), but that's not the #1 reason I'm so POd at her. It's her narrow and downright asshatted definition of "family" (only biologically related people).
I've these friends who consider me family and vice versa. More like an aunt-uncle-and-cousins level, sure, but family. I'm closer to them than most of my biological family.
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