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AMEN.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not a virgin because I'm saving myself for marriage, and anybody who's known me for more than five minutes knows I'm not a prude. I've just not found someone I want to fuck who wants to fuck me. End of story.

Honest to God, the last time I actually remember getting a serious offer for sex in real life was about six years ago when a guy I knew from high school very nicely offered me oral sex. No, really, it was kind of sweet, but no thanks. Not that I haven't dated since. I dated one guy since, and he ended up moving to Utica before we were even technically dating. (I always liked that. It sounds like such a punchline. "Know why I'm still a virgin? Because every guy I like is either gay, married, or moving to Utica." Heh. By the way, that guy looked like a slightly dorkier version of Nipple Rings from TAR, but was sweet and adorable where Nipple Rings is just an ass who should definitely not be getting more sex than I do.)

As for writing porn, if anybody has any problems with mine, I am open to any and all constructive criticism, especially about this.

Besides, I'm still arguing for that law that says if I make it to the age of thirty without getting laid, I get to pick whomever I want to help me get rid of it. I can tell you right now that if that were to happen sometime between now and next September, Jared, Jensen, and JDM better clear their calendar for October, because we're blowing my fucking virginity right out of the water, every pun in that statement delightfully intended. ;)

Date: 2006-04-18 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spyderqueen.livejournal.com
Afreakinmen. I'm a virgin because I have STANDARDS damnit, and I'm not compromising them when plastic pals who are fun to be with can suffice!

Date: 2006-04-18 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] denorios.livejournal.com
Right there with you. I'm 23 and still a virgin and it's got fuck all to do with religion or morality or any of that shit. I find it insulting that there's supposedly an age where it's okay to be a virgin and an age where it's not, as though being ready for sex is something that can be scheduled on a calendar.

And on a more humourous note, I have friends who genuinely think that a virgin must never have had an orgasm. Hello? It's like they never heard of rampant rabbits!

Date: 2006-04-18 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
I have friends who genuinely think that a virgin must never have had an orgasm.

*snickers* My cousin once told me in these really condescending tone that I'd be a nymphomaniac when I finally got to have sex. I really wanted to say. "Dude, I'm a nymphomaniac now, I'm just not being a nymphomaniac WITH anyone," but I highly doubted that was a conversation I wanted to have at my other cousin's graduation party.

Date: 2006-04-18 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siberian-skys.livejournal.com
Amen indeed.

If you get Jensen, Jared and JDM if you make it to 30, what do I get when I make it to 40? :D

I just can't figure out why virginity is considered so odd. I'm not saving myself for marriage either. I don't even believe in marriage. And a prude--not bloody likely. And virginity has absolutely nothing to do with the ability to write good porn.

You should start a club.

Date: 2006-04-18 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
Dude, if we get something even better when we get to 40, I can hold out. ;p

I can't figure out people who think that because I'm a virgin, I've never had an orgasm. Jesus, if that were true, I wouldn't have to worry about making it forty, my head would explode before then.

Date: 2006-04-19 12:36 am (UTC)

Date: 2006-04-25 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diannelamerc.livejournal.com
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not a virgin because I'm saving myself for marriage, and anybody who's known me for more than five minutes knows I'm not a prude. I've just not found someone I want to fuck who wants to fuck me. End of story.

Oh, amen, sister! And why do so many people find that concept so bizarre? I've been considered a freak since I was 18 by way too many people just for this. (I am a freak, of course, but in completely different ways. ;)

And yeah, reality check people: Orgasms are something you can do alllll by yourself. *snort*

Hey, I'm not many years off from the 40yo club myself... I wanna know what I get if I make it, huh? Better be damned good... ;)

Date: 2006-04-18 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tania.livejournal.com
Way to go, girl. :) I'm 24 and not a virgin, but I can understand where you're coming from - in high school, it was the "done thing" to have sex with someone, anyone, but I never did. I mean, man, the available choice wasn't exactly high-class stuff. Ew. ;P

I met my current fiance when I was 19, and we're still together today. It's very likely that he'll be the only man I sleep with in my entire life. (Sorry, Jensen...)

Date: 2006-04-18 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tania.livejournal.com
I guess what I'm trying to say (forgive me, it's early in the morning here) is that there seems to be a school of thought in Western society that if you refrain from sex, you're a prude... and if you have sex, you're a slut.

Kind of a lose-lose situation for us girls.

Date: 2006-04-18 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randomblade.livejournal.com
YES! Oh my god!

I have had a good friend tell me that I am going to have a nervous breakdown because "a sensual person" like I allegedly am can't survive "controlling" her natural urges indefinitely. I'm a "repressed slut", apparently.

What I really wanted to say in response to that is: "Excuse me if I think that exactly what makes me able to function happily in society is the ability and willingness to control most of the first order desires and "natural urges" that come my way. For example: my immense urge to be punching you in the stupid head right NOW, you condescending FUCKHEAD."

Date: 2006-04-19 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tania.livejournal.com
*laughs* Or, an alternative response:

"Hello? MASTURBATION. 8D "

Date: 2006-04-20 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randomblade.livejournal.com
Hello, I'm masturbation. Pleased to meet you. No really. Pleased.

Date: 2006-04-18 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skandrae.livejournal.com
Amen! Just, a-fucking-men. Granted, my porn could use some work, but for the rest...30 is just around the corner ^_~

Date: 2006-04-18 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] exsequar.livejournal.com
Foursome with Jcubed!!! Dayum. *fans self*

Thank you for linking to that post. It's very relevant to me, even though I'm only 18. I sometimes get despondent about the lack of boy-toy thing, but then I realize it really doesn't MATTER, and I feel better again.

Though it'd be nice to be kissed.

Date: 2006-04-18 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
OMG, yes. I'd pay cold hard cash to get kissed by Sam just like in that icon. Jesus, that's a fucking hot kiss.

Date: 2006-04-18 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] exsequar.livejournal.com
Egads, me too. Haaaaands. *whimper* Or Lee, Lee would be good too. Arms! Arms! *whimpers more* See this is why I try to avoid het pairings. I then get very jealous :P

Date: 2006-04-18 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
Dude, you're jealous of het pairings? I'm jealous of het pairings I made up, for crying out loud. The other day, I realized I was just a teensy bit jealous of Jess in the "Across the Universe" 'verse because she got both Winchester boys. Now, that's bad. :)

Date: 2006-04-18 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] exsequar.livejournal.com
*laughs* I'd be jealous of Jess in that case too! There's nothing better than two Winchesters. Unless it's three. But ANYway. I really do think that's why I love slash as much as I do, because it doesn't need to emotionally involve me in any way. I've metaed this to death before, so I'm gonna stop there.

Is it bad that I found this guy I like attractive partially 'cause he's from Texas? Plano, specifically, which borders Richardson? No accent, alas, but still. ;)

The only girl I don't get jealous of is Faith. That's cause Faith is a fuck and wave goodbye kinda gal, so I know she's not gonna get to keep anyone. It's just HOT :D Faith/anyone is almost like slash, hee.

Date: 2006-04-18 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
Faith is the one woman I know for a fact I'd fuck in real life. Put me in a room with Faith and I would claim bisexuality so fast my grandmother's head would spin from across the state.

I'm telling you, next October, it's me, Jared, Jensen, and JDM for the entire month. And anybody who doesn't think I can fuck those three for four weeks straight has no clue how much pent-up sexual energy I've been saving. ;)

Date: 2006-04-18 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] exsequar.livejournal.com
See, I would never think to put it that way. This is where my insecurity shows, because picturing myself with any character I lust after immediately douses the flame. My inner voice goes why would they want YOU? and then I curl up in a ball and hide.

...

Yeah, so I stay out of it. I'd gladly watch Faith fuck anyone though!

Oh darling, I don't doubt you for ONE second.

Date: 2006-04-18 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emella.livejournal.com
Hee! You win at life for linking me.

I'm 20 and I feel too old to be a virgin. People suck.

Date: 2006-04-19 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scarfboy.livejournal.com
It does make you wonder, doesn't it?

Date: 2006-04-19 05:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emella.livejournal.com
Totally.

Date: 2006-04-18 11:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] caudelac.livejournal.com
Huh. I have only not been a virgin as long as I have because I was far too slutty to make it past 14 intact. No regrets, but really, there is a /lot/ to be said for selectivity.

And for the record, some of the best porn I've written has been with virgins. Y'all create some bloody literosexual art.

Date: 2006-04-19 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tania.livejournal.com
literosexual

I think that's the best word I've ever heard.

Date: 2006-04-18 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joyfulgirl41.livejournal.com
Amen indeed. *shines V-card* And I still seem to do okay with the whole porn-writing thing. Go figure.

Date: 2006-04-18 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girlmostlikely.livejournal.com
I really respect you for making that choice and sticking to it. I gotta say, I'm a little envious as well; I lost my virginity to no one special, and it's gotta be one of only two regrets I carry in my life.

Also, your porny fic rocks the porn baby! I was talking about it w/ a fandom buddy... we were like "TP either has one HELL of imagination, or she's been watching some sweet-ass porn!"

Hee. ♥

Date: 2006-04-18 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tehuberfangirl.livejournal.com
I'm just turned 18 and well i've never had sex with a *guy*. Yes bi's the way to go people -little flag-. >.< although i do push dudes over chicks. <.< say if jensen or jared (or both) walked into my room nekkid as a jay bird they wouldn't last -inner fangirl squee-

-Kissness-

Date: 2006-04-19 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squee1123.livejournal.com
I love your porn. And I aspire to be like you and ladysorka and all of those other virgins in there because..well why I wouldnt i?

Date: 2006-04-19 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-cheat76.livejournal.com
awesome! thanks for posting and linking to that original post, you gals rock!

"Know why I'm still a virgin? Because every guy I like is either gay, married, or moving to Utica." WORD, WORD, WORD!!

i actually am waiting for marriage. i've kind of lost my religion at this point in my life, but i certainly haven't waited this long (29yr old) to just go out and have sex with someone- er, unless it's jared padalecki we're talkin' bout:p

Date: 2006-04-19 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dday515.livejournal.com
Know what's funny about all these comments? I personally know women who have had an awful lot of sex, yet never have had an orgasm with a partner.

Sex is sex. I lost my relatively early, but spent a good bit of my twenties celibate (Which, for whats its worth, requires more explination then remaining a virgin. Everyone can understand NEVER having sex.. but having it and not having it again...it was like I was a leper).

Summation of comment. Sex DOES NOT EQUAL orgasm.. in fact, if it does, and you're a woman, then hold on to your partner. If you're a guy, well then its another perk. :)

Date: 2006-04-19 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trekkim.livejournal.com
This post made my day. It's wonderful to know I'm not alone.

Also, this is a great oppurtunity to compliment you on your awesome "definitely not a good enough virgin" icon, which I loved the moment I saw it.

On the topic of virginity...

Date: 2006-04-19 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kurukami.livejournal.com
Perhaps this is something I differ with you on simply because I'm a guy. However:

Baloney.

To be a male virgin past a certain age is to be mocked. To be a laughingstock. Because it suggests that you are undesirable, and that there's something amiss. And the later, as a guy, one maintains one's virginity, the more unconfident one becomes, the more certain that that suggestion is, in fact, the truth.

An inexperienced lover is far less confident, and therefore far less desirable. As a woman, when considering a guy as a potential love interest, are you more likely to be interested in (a) a guy who's great in bed, or (b) a guy who can't seem to figure out how to undo the clasp on your brassiere? Putting all other issues aside, which is more desireable to you? I'm willing to bet quite a bit that the answer's (a).

I get that you haven't found anyone to fuck that wants to fuck you, as yet. Y'know what? Welcome to the club. That's the state that a hell of a lot people exist in, most of the time. But thinking that you're going to save yourself until just the right person comes along is going to leave you celibate for a lot longer than you'd think.

I lost my virginity at the age of 25. It was at that point that I finally realized the "right person" wasn't about to come along. And it was casual, prompted mostly by thoughts of "I might as well see what the hell all the fuss is about." And that experience was unimpressive enough that for a long time afterwards I thought there was something wrong with me, or that the entire mythology behind it was horrendously overblown and it was a wonder the human race hadn't died out from lack of interest in sex long long ago.

I spent five years like that, desperately wanting, craving, to have sex but convinced that it was going to be lousy again, sure that no-one could possibly be interested in me. And then I met someone who was -- even though she had to convince me of it over some time -- and we eventually had sex. And it was good -- I mean, really good. We eventually broke up, but we're still close friends. And she turned my entire mindset on the subject around.

No one gets an actor. No one gets a supermodel. All of us, unless we're somehow preposterously lucky, have to settle. There isn't necessarily a "right one" to wait for. And if you want interest, you have to make yourself available to interest. You have to put yourself forward into social situations.

Just because you're a virgin doesn't make you a prude. But you having had sex doesn't make you a slut, either (outside of the polarized societies of high school). You want to feel pleased and loved in a sensual, sexual relationship. That's normal. And your potential partner, if he's not totally clueless, wants to make you feel that way as well. But the thing to keep in mind is, he almost certainly feels exactly the same way.

Re: On the topic of virginity...

Date: 2006-04-19 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aislinfey.livejournal.com
I don't think I would ever have sex with a virgin, I know a lot of people who get a kick out of taking someones "innocence", I however wouldn't want the responsibility.

Re: On the topic of virginity...

Date: 2006-04-19 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] divabat.livejournal.com
Your question about who I'd rather lay - you know what, I'm rather asexual, so there's a high chance that that situation would never come up. And hell, if it's the first time for both of us - great! We learn from each other, there's no pressure to be perfect, and we can be as silly as we want.

Not all of us need a sexual relationship to be happy. There's really no need to worry about "OMG I haven't had sex yet" - it's not a big deal. There are more important things in the world.

Re: On the topic of virginity...

Date: 2006-04-19 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kurukami.livejournal.com
Not all of us need a sexual relationship to be happy. There's really no need to worry about "OMG I haven't had sex yet".

And it's not my intention to imply that anyone should need it. But if someone DOES want sex, and a sexual relationship, then trying to wait passively for the perfect person to come along will usually leave one disappointed and dispirited.

Re: On the topic of virginity...

Date: 2006-04-19 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strix-an-stones.livejournal.com
Actually...I'll disagree with you. Why? Because I've been with male virgins, seven of them in fact. Different ages, different backgrounds but still all wonderful, lovely men who I found a great deal of joy in being with sexually and not. There is a great deal of comfort to be shared as well as gentle learning.

I resemble your friend in a good many ways. My introduction to sex was not good. We'll leave it at that. It went downhill markedly from there. Then I met a wonderful man in his mid to late 20s with a "problem" if he hadn't been drunk I wouldn't have known and I considered him a good friend. It was sort of an odd revelation I had, that I could take this misery that I didn't even really enjoy much, and turn it around and make things better for someone else. In the end, it helped me discover that sex could be great and actually feel good.

I'm not a model or actress but I guess I made some guys preposterously happy. Now its just one guy.

Date: 2006-04-19 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scarfboy.livejournal.com
Thank you for that.

And I'll keep it at that since I'm a stranger and don't want to appear creepy with the details:)

Date: 2006-04-19 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quietdiscerning.livejournal.com
oh man. i hear you.

its like, a couple of years ago all my close friends were virgins too, so even though all three had serious boyfriends the lack of a boy wasnt a big deal but now god its like ALL they talk about and if they're not tip toeing on eggshells about it around be theyre drunk and fucking the next room over.

its not like im handicapped just cuz i havent fucked someone, you KNOW?

but omg, kissing. i want kissing so badly, more than the sex you know? orgasms i can do myself, kissing, not so much.

Date: 2006-04-19 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] divabat.livejournal.com
ha! I hear you on the kissing, if only because I am rather curious and damnit i know so many kissable people.

Date: 2006-04-19 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ketaki.livejournal.com
LOL - I know!
Also - I prefer kissing more than most things...

Date: 2006-04-19 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altiloquent.livejournal.com
Seriously, I love you. Every single time that someone finds out that I'm 21 and a virgin it's like SHOCKHORRORFREAKAHHH! and I always want to jump down their throats because it's bullshit. I am the furthest thing possible from a prude and I still get people saying really condescending things just because I haven't had sex. GOD.

Again, so much love for you.

Date: 2006-04-19 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zora-sourit.livejournal.com
I've just not found someone I want to fuck who wants to fuck me. End of story. I think I seriously love you. couldn“t have said it better. Just... yeah. *hugs*

Date: 2006-04-19 08:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vass
WORD.

I'm not 'saving' myself, it's not a precious gift, I just only want to have sex with people who *I* want to have sex with, and who want to have sex with *me*. These two stipulations narrow it down a bit. The lesbianism thing narrows it down further. And I'm not dedicating all my free time to looking, largely because I'm not DESPERATE. Which last bit is I think what freaks people out the most. OMG, you're a virgin, aren't you UPSET? ASHAMED, APOLOGETIC, DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT? And why should I be? It'll happen when and if it happens. It's not a requirement for graduation.

Date: 2006-04-19 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ketaki.livejournal.com
A - fucking - men!
Every pun in that also delightfully intended... ;)

Date: 2006-04-19 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sadiekate.livejournal.com
If it mean anything, I would totally have sex with you. And I am AWESOME at sex.

Date: 2006-04-19 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurelin-kit.livejournal.com
I was firmly in the camp of "virgin because I haven't met anyone I'd do yet," a little over a year ago, so I understand perfectly where you - and many other people - are coming from. A-freaking-men.

Date: 2006-04-20 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scary-being-me.livejournal.com
Virginity is a personal choice. That's all. People who make a big deal out of it are asses.

I lost my virginity at 13 and have regretted it for the last 26 years. I regret it because it was with the wrong person, at the wrong time, and for the wrong reasons and neither of us knew what the fuck we were doing.

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