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[apocalypsos]

Yesterday at work, I was talking to a female co-worker about makeup and mentioned this conversation I had last week on my LJ ...

shemchadash: I have to ask... what is it about men that makes us worth this effort? Some of us don't even shave and yet women use/apply

Rouge, mascara, lipstick, blush, perfume, pierce various portions of your anatomies, and shave/wax painful areas...

WHY?!?

trollprincess: I like to apply makeup for the same reason I dye my hair different colors and get tattoos -- because I like to draw on myself and people look at me funny when I walk around with Sharpie marker on my face.

Captain Asshat then proceeded to butt in and announce that I shouldn't let any man tell me that makeup means nothing, because all men (hey, he was the one who said "one hundred percent of men") care totally about looks in a woman and nothing about personality. (I only boldface that because that's how he said. Taking down Captain Asshat's various bits of wisdom *cough* involve boldface and italics and wild hand gestures you don't get to see.)

Not that I agree or disagree with what he said, I'm just curious what the guys on my friends list have to say about that, in all honesty. (Mostly because I want to know what another guy would have said if he'd been standing there, 'cause it was just me and Silvia standing there quietly wondering why this fuckstick was butting into our casual conversation about absolutely nothing.)

EDIT: Psst! I just turned in my extra invite codes for more userpics. Someone make me icons. Other people always end up making them better than me, anyway.

Comments

Looks

[moshez.livejournal.com]

Well, I care quite a bit in looks (in a prospective SO, at least), but certainly not only looks. In fact, if someone is witty and fun to talk with, then for me, she might be worth it even if she's not really good looking. Also, putting on make-up (and I have little to no experience with it) seems much more fun than shaving. Shaving sucks. It is painful. I do it sometimes, because I have to look respectable, and I might do it for a girlfriend (I did shave for my last one), but I certainly don't have to like it and I'll take any opportunity to avoid it.

[hemlock-martini.livejournal.com]

I would say that personality is more important than looks. Any relationship based on physical attactiveness alone would be shallow and unfulfilling.

[ashenmote.livejournal.com]

I guess when Captain Asshat has headaches one hundred percent of males feel the pain?

The Captain probably can't know but when you accidentally get close enough to a woman to be exposed to personality you learn to care.

About looks I care much, too. But that means I search for anything that is beautiful about a woman. I am pretty sure that is different from the Captain Asshat point-of-view. Or from the relentless observations women sometimes make about themselves (or other women, too.)

It's like a built in soft-focus.
And I could come up with some evolutionary explanation for it, if I only weren't so busy enjoying the sight of all those beautiful people around me :)

[nocluvok.livejournal.com]

Interesting statement since in the animal kingdom the male is generally more colorful than the female. Johnny Depp for instance.

See, now you've gone and confused me, bacause I thought we were only after sex and a woman's looks have nothing to do with getting it.

[lots42.livejournal.com]

Captain Asshat is a dingdong. Most sane men see makeup as a way of making a pretty woman shinier.

Any man who'd reject a pretty woman sans makeup is lying.

Most men keep their opinions to themselves because if a pretty woman is paying attention to you, you don't screw with a good thing

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty sure he says stuff like this because he's trying to start an argument, but I don't think he realizes that a.) I don't give a fuck, b.) I don't believe him a lot of the time, and c.) saying stuff like this only makes him look like moer of an asshat to everyone else.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

At this point, I'm more amused by his stupidity than anything else. I'm just grateful he hasn't tried anything even more moronic, like asking me out. (Yeah, that's not just a no, that's a HELL no.)

[akacat]

That's probably a hell no with a hearty laugh for good measure.

[nocluvok.livejournal.com]

I hope you knocked on wood after you said that. *G*

[fyrdrakken]

Oh, no, it's fun to crush the egos of men we really really dislike when they ask us out!

[errantman.livejournal.com]

I personally consider confidence more important than looks in an indirect kind of way. I think good confidence either creates the illusion of good looks, or improves the perception of someone's looks.
That's my perspective at least.

Given that I started this...

[seferin.livejournal.com]

I will respond before I read the responses. The following is intended to use humor as well... so please, don't be offended.

1> All women look the same in the dark. However, they don't all sound the same. Some men like intelligent women. Some like funny women. Some like intellectual women. In fifty years, no one will still be pretty, not counting Dick Clark. Personality is the key. If there is no chemistry, there is no way it will last. How many playboy playmates have been divorced?

2> Women's magazines sell fashion to women, not men. Yes, it nice if she is attractive, and yes being thin helps. Thin is NOT anorexic. Thin means, I can hug her, and my hands meet on her back. If I want to marry someone who doesn't eat, I will go to the gym twice a day.

3> You are born with a certain amount, the rest is personality. Pamela Anderson has larger breasts (or she did) than Sarah Michelle Gellar. Yet, given a choice, most men would choose Sarah because of her personality. Its not what you have, its how confident you are with it.

4> Were I there, I would have asked if he was married, and then responded either?

1> Gee, what a surprise
2> My condolences. To your wife.

Re: Given that I started this...

[cmstephens.livejournal.com]

Yet, given a choice, most men would choose Sarah because of her personality.
... or because Pam has Hepatitis C, and an ex-husband that would kick their ass if they tried anything with her. Think, which one would probably be easier to take in a fight: Tommy Lee, or Freddy Prinze, Jr. (SMG's fiancee/husband/whatever)?

Re: Given that I started this...

[seferin.livejournal.com]

Well sure, there's that. But who would be more fun. Someone who rests on her *ahem* laurels, or who seems willing to get into things?

[nocluvok.livejournal.com]

Just for grins I think you should ask him what it's like to be pregnant. He seems to know everything else.

[qnotku.livejournal.com]

Tell him that every woman wants their man to have a huge package and then offer him your condolences on the likelihood of his lifetime celibacy.

/e shakes her head. What a schmuck!

Teri

[cmstephens.livejournal.com]

I think there should be a balance between the looks and the personality. If the personality is good, you can let a few aesthetic flaws slide by. If they look good, but are as dumb as a stump, what's the point? If they're severely unattractive, their personality will only get them so far.

icons.

[frito-kal.livejournal.com]

Because I couldn't resist, once I had the source image - an icon for you, if you want it.

[wufeidragon.livejournal.com]

Dunno about how my boyfriend weighs looks vs. personality, but I know he hates it when I wear make-up. He really doesn't like make-up... at all.