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Cops: Teens ended pregnancy with a baseball bat -- Remember, kids, legal and safe abortions are bad. That's why, if you do end up a pregnant teen, you should have your boyfriend whack you in the stomach with a baseball bat.

Meanwhile, House Republicans want to change party rules to ensure that DeLay retains his post if a Texas grand jury indicts him as it did with three of his political associates. See, kids? You can never be too big a hypocrite. :)

Also, should Canada indict Bush and charge him with war crimes? On one hand, I loathe him enough to root for the Canadians to do it. On the other hand, he is our President, like it or not, and if they indict him for war crimes, that reflects well on us ... or, you know, not.

EDIT: The United States laid down the gauntlet to Europe Wednesday by saying the responsibility for trimming the U.S. current account deficit cannot rest on the U.S. alone and other countries must help by boosting demand. -- "I screwed up, so you have to help me." *eye roll*

Date: 2004-11-17 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phillyexpat.livejournal.com
Re baseball bat story: WOW. That's terrible.

Tom DeLay should be in prison.

Date: 2004-11-17 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pescivendolo.livejournal.com
He's already reflecting well enough on us. I say slap the cuffs on him. Somebody's got to hold him accountable.

Date: 2004-11-17 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
It'd certainly be a wakeup call for him. Well, hopefully.

Date: 2004-11-17 07:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinylegacies.livejournal.com
re: the baseball bat story - that is just disgusting. It's people like that who give the anti-abortionists semi-valid arguments.

re: the DeLay story - why would the people want a legislator to represent them from prison??? The best line in the article was that "the Republican party does not care if its leaders are ethical" - so very true.

re: the Canada story - it would be very interesting to see how that would all play out.

Date: 2004-11-17 08:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ceejayoz.livejournal.com
It's people like that who give the anti-abortionists semi-valid arguments.

I'd say exactly the opposite.

If abortion were illegal, that kind of thing would become far more common as legal, safe abortions would be unavailable.

re: the DeLay story - why would the people want a legislator to represent them from prison???

He'd definitely lose his post if convicted (nothing can prevent that), but current House Republican rules state that you must (temporarially) step down if charged with a crime that has a sentence of two years in prison or more.

Date: 2004-11-17 08:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinylegacies.livejournal.com
I think the argument would be that even though it is legal - people are still doing these heinous things - so what is the difference.

Personally I think it's absolutely criminal what those teenagers did.

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Date: 2004-11-17 08:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paradisacorbasi.livejournal.com
The baseball bat story is TRAGIC.

It's people like the rabid [Christian] pro-lifers who make children so afraid to go to their parents when they get pregnant. They can't afford the abortion on their own. So they feel trapped with no recourse.

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Date: 2004-11-17 11:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lots42.livejournal.com
I wonder if one of the reasaons for the bat was because the people involved were too stupid to know of any alternatives.

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Date: 2004-11-17 08:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stevie-jane.livejournal.com

The United States laid down the gauntlet to Europe Wednesday by saying the responsibility for trimming the U.S. current account deficit cannot rest on the U.S. alone and other countries must help by boosting demand.


Europe says: FUCK OFF.

Date: 2004-11-17 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anne-jumps.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm sure Europe is really excited about helping with this plan.

Date: 2004-11-17 08:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snellios.livejournal.com
If the defecit gets worse then it's only gonna have a negative effect on Europe, so we should take it upon ourselves to do somnething to help, just for our own sake.

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Date: 2004-11-17 08:19 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] suaine.livejournal.com
The United States laid down the gauntlet to Europe Wednesday by saying the responsibility for trimming the U.S. current account deficit cannot rest on the U.S. alone and other countries must help by boosting demand.

ahhhahahahahahaa.... sorry, that just had to be said.

(From the point of view of a German who sees the German economy crumble under our own problems. Boosting demand. Ahahahaa.... *sighs*)

Date: 2004-11-17 08:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowanberries.livejournal.com
Should Canada indict Bush?

OH GOD YES PLEASE NOW.

Go on Canada. You know you want to. :)

And, I just read said article, and this: Bush was furious last year when Belgians launched a war crimes suit in their country against him — so furious that Belgium not only backed down under U.S. threats but changed its law to prevent further recurrences.

What?! Of course he was fucking furious! But you don't decide not to prosecute a fucking murderer because he fucking yells at you! Nor do you add a qualifier to the law that says 'only not if it's George. W. fucking Bush, because he says so and we're scared of the bully.' *Sigh*

And the other ones. Oh God. We need to make LJ physical and set up our own state on an island somewhere. Y'know, one with logic and sanity. Who's coming?

Date: 2004-11-17 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paradisacorbasi.livejournal.com
Not everybody on LJ is logical and sane.

We need to be a little more selective.

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Date: 2004-11-17 09:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nute.livejournal.com
But you don't decide not to prosecute a fucking murderer because he fucking yells at you!

Technically, Bush can't be guilty of murder under the letter of the law. That's why there's a special set of crimes to cover people in power who are supposed to take the fall for actions of the military.

Despite common conception, being in charge of a group of people who go out and murder and doing it oneself are totally and radically different things. Unless someone has direct control over people under their command (something the President can NOT have over the military, despite whatever ceremonial titles like Commander-in-Chief are bestowed by tradition alone) and are there giving the individual order directly, the responsibility begins and ends with the people committing the act.

If atrocities are committed by soldiers, then the soldiers alone are responsible. It is the responsibility of every soldier to REFUSE an unlawful order, and as we saw in Abu Ghraib, many soldiers failed in that responsibility.

While Bush may be guilty of certain interpretations of war crimes, the common crime of murder is one which cannot be pinned on him.

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Date: 2004-11-17 08:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snellios.livejournal.com
Can anyone explain what charges are going to be bought against the baby aborting teens?

Date: 2004-11-17 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pescivendolo.livejournal.com
I was wondering about that myself. Miscarriage? Consentual physical abuse? Statutory rape? Burying a fetus in a backyard?

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Date: 2004-11-17 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siegeofangels.livejournal.com
The Detroit News (http://www.detnews.com/2004/metro/0411/17/A01-7649.htm) has a more in-depth article, mentioning among other things that the boy's mother was involved in the burying of the fetus.

She'll probably get charged with improper disposal of a dead body; also, 'A 1999 Michigan law provides felony penalties for actions that intentionally, or in wanton or willful disregard for consequences, cause a "miscarriage or stillbirth," or cause "aggravated physical injury to an embryo or fetus,"' so that might come into it.

But I think they have to wait for the results of the autopsy before they can charge anyone.

Kudos also to the Detroit News for running the phone numbers of Planned Parenthood and the American Pregnancy Hotline along with the story.

Date: 2004-11-17 09:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowanberries.livejournal.com
0_0

It's the end of the wooooooooorld!

[livejournal.com profile] trollprincess, please put down the universe and step away from it with your hands in the air.

Date: 2004-11-17 09:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apocalypsos.livejournal.com
*stares*

Oh, good Lord, I'm getting my apocalypse! *bounces up and down happily*

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Date: 2004-11-17 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drewbeartx.livejournal.com
Good lord, they're pink, too!

We're one step closer to The Pink Death!!

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Date: 2004-11-17 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erinlin.livejournal.com
Re: Canada.

This is what I've been saying since day one! Common, Martin! You know you want to.

Date: 2004-11-17 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adjectivegirl.livejournal.com
I'm getting SO much ammo to bury my ridiculously stupid free-trade argument friend in the dirt, so much so I want to call him and lord it over him that he's wrong and we're totally in the poorhouse as far as market value goes.

Then I go read some porn.

(Incidentally, while I was glad that schmuck Scott Peterson was found guilty, I was significant un-glad about the bored housewives' People Magazine uproar about the death of "Conner." If the law explicitly stated burden of proof that Laci wanted the child, fine, but to erode abortion rights under the guise of a celebrated criminal trial? Is sick.)

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