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[apocalypsos]

Cops: Teens ended pregnancy with a baseball bat -- Remember, kids, legal and safe abortions are bad. That's why, if you do end up a pregnant teen, you should have your boyfriend whack you in the stomach with a baseball bat.

Meanwhile, House Republicans want to change party rules to ensure that DeLay retains his post if a Texas grand jury indicts him as it did with three of his political associates. See, kids? You can never be too big a hypocrite. :)

Also, should Canada indict Bush and charge him with war crimes? On one hand, I loathe him enough to root for the Canadians to do it. On the other hand, he is our President, like it or not, and if they indict him for war crimes, that reflects well on us ... or, you know, not.

EDIT: The United States laid down the gauntlet to Europe Wednesday by saying the responsibility for trimming the U.S. current account deficit cannot rest on the U.S. alone and other countries must help by boosting demand. -- "I screwed up, so you have to help me." *eye roll*

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[tinylegacies.livejournal.com]

Need to be punished for what? Specifically, why does she need to be punished?

She needs to be punished for being a fricking idiot.

There are safe and legal ways to end a pregnancy - to have someone hit you in the stomach with a baseball bat is unsafe and inappropriately violent. There was definitely reckless endangerment going on there. Is she had not had a miscarriage, that baby would have likely been born with serious birth defects because of those actions. Or if the boyfriend had gotten out of hand, she could have hemorraged to death.

Not to mention that improper disposal of a corpse is against the law.

Personally I think the parents need to be charged. Parents need to know what is going on in their children's lives. There was some serious neglect going on there.

[snellios.livejournal.com]

unsafe and inappropriately violent - and also, her explicit choice.

Personally I think the parents need to be charged. - omfg, seriously, if you're not a fucking troll I am going to need to go away and bash my head against a fucking wall. Possibly till I hemorrhage to death. You forget children of this age are sentient human beings who do have a mind of their own and can make their own decisions.

Or if the boyfriend had gotten out of hand, she could have hemorraged to death. - Yeah, I agree with this. This is the only part I have a problem with; it's the inaccurate and potentially dangerous action that's the problem. Although she did make a conscious decision to allow this risk, but maybe the boy should take some responsibility. But at the end of the day, she knew the risks, and she wanted it.

[nute.livejournal.com]

You forget children of this age are sentient human beings who do have a mind of their own and can make their own decisions.

Yes, and they made a wrong one. A number of wrong ones. Ones that had they learned properly and/or their parents taught them properly, wouldn't likely have been made.

[snellios.livejournal.com]

LOL. Maybe, maybe not. Charging parents for flawed upbringing is fucking funny. Blaming parents entirely enough to charge them for an independent beings personal moral descision is fucking funny.

[tinylegacies.livejournal.com]

Blaming parents entirely enough to charge them for an independent beings personal moral descision is fucking funny.

But when said "independent beings" are under the age of legal consent it absolutely is their parents responsibility to make sure they behave in an appropriate manor.

And that is the last thing I'm going to say because you are completely unreasonable with your arguments. BDSM is not comparable to this case. BDSM is a perfectly acceptable sexual practice for consenting adults but hitting someone in the stomach with a baseball bat to cause a miscarriage is not anywhere in the same ball park. Especially when said persons are not of the age of consent

[snellios.livejournal.com]

it absolutely is their parents responsibility to make sure they behave in an appropriate manor. - no, you can't expect parents to take all, or even the majority, of the responsibility. That's why even children are made legally responsible for their crimes at a relatively young age; they can be charged and help completely responsible for things they do.

If you explain to me how BDSM and willful harm is "not in the same ball park" I might be willing to except it; you continually just voicing this at me with no justification does not provide any addition.

Also, yeah, I didn't read they were underage. My bad. But still, with respect to the main points we were discussing, we were talking generally whether it should be allowed or not. I agree with you, in this case, it is illegal. I don't think, however, that people over 16 should be considered a minor so my vies still stand for this; I don't think it should be illegal

[nute.livejournal.com]

I agree that it's the parents' responsibility to instill a sense in their kids that they should behave in OR out of the manor, but that's beside the point.

BDSM and willful harm ARE the same ballpark. One's just considered less dangerous because condemning any kind of sexual activity these days gets you branded as a right-wing fascist. It's a dangerous activity that people do to get off, like snorting crack. Bad for you, but there are folks who will feel that it's people's "right" to do things that are bad for them. Such are the vagaries of free choice.