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[apocalypsos]

Cops: Teens ended pregnancy with a baseball bat -- Remember, kids, legal and safe abortions are bad. That's why, if you do end up a pregnant teen, you should have your boyfriend whack you in the stomach with a baseball bat.

Meanwhile, House Republicans want to change party rules to ensure that DeLay retains his post if a Texas grand jury indicts him as it did with three of his political associates. See, kids? You can never be too big a hypocrite. :)

Also, should Canada indict Bush and charge him with war crimes? On one hand, I loathe him enough to root for the Canadians to do it. On the other hand, he is our President, like it or not, and if they indict him for war crimes, that reflects well on us ... or, you know, not.

EDIT: The United States laid down the gauntlet to Europe Wednesday by saying the responsibility for trimming the U.S. current account deficit cannot rest on the U.S. alone and other countries must help by boosting demand. -- "I screwed up, so you have to help me." *eye roll*

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[nute.livejournal.com]

Actually, that's what they charge unlicensed practicioners of medicine with, if they're doing a procedure that's normally only permitted to be done by licensed MDs.

If you ask me, *I'd* treat him like a violent attacker. He committed an intentional act of violence that caused severe bodily harm (which a miscarriage qualifies as). With actual bodily tissue loss, it may qualify as mayhem, which is still on the books as a step above battery that results in loss of limb or sensory capability. In other words, even though it was consensual, it was still a crime.

Of course, if you ask me, there's a clear-cut case of piss-poor parenting that LEADS to these kind of situations, but that's just me. :)

[snellios.livejournal.com]

Are you one of those who is against voluntary eithanasia too?

And all this can be applied to people who take part in BDSM, wtf.

[nute.livejournal.com]

I'm against dying, period. :) Silly habit.

As for BDSM, I think that when you're causing actual bodily harm to someone to the point of requiring hospitalization - whether consensual or not, you've committed a crime. Accidental murder has the designation of "manslaughter", because even if it's an accident, the perpetrator needs to be shown that the circumstances that led to the crime need to be avoided. There ought to be, logically, an equivalent for accidental battery. I mean, it's a basic tenet of human behavior. Don't hurt other people, it's BAD.

It's one of those things that I personally find distasteful, but I recognize that my opinions aren't shared by everyone, and thus folks should have a little leeway. But it's like any self-destructive hobby or habit - if you can't keep yourself from being injured during it, maybe you ought not to be doing it.

[snellios.livejournal.com]

I'm against other other people telling people what they can't do. Especially die.

to the point of requiring hospitalization - that's like saying, "if you do it a bit, that's OK, but if you do it excessively then it's wrong". And that's just hypocritical.

Yes, but would you agree that the perpetrator doesn't need to be taught a lesson if they help someone commit suicide? Because that's exactly how I see this; he only helped her carry out her wishes. No more, no less. Manslaughter isn't 'accidental' harm or assault in the same way; it's unwillful harm which has inadvertently caused death.

maybe you ought not to be doing it - apart from, yanno, maybe it's their choice and free will...

[snellios.livejournal.com]

I'm against other other people telling people what they can't do-
Anything that is their right, and doesn't infringe on other's rights, of course. Heh

[nute.livejournal.com]

See, I'm all for telling people what they can and can't do. That's the point of laws and such, and what keeps us out of anarchy. Until everyone's ready for autarchy, which we're centuries away from. But that's an entirely different kettle of monkeys.

that's like saying, "if you do it a bit, that's OK, but if you do it excessively then it's wrong". And that's just hypocritical.

No, not really. Driving 20mph on a country road = legal. Driving 85mph on the same road = speeding. One's dangerous, the other isn't. Yes, maybe YOU'RE capable of driving like a loon safely, but you can't ensure the safety of other drivers who may not be used to it. And like it or not, you have a responsibility to them.

Same goes with any social interaction. Say you're an athlete playing a sport. You have a responsibility not to injure your teammates or opponents. BDSM? Fine, if that's what's fun for you. But both parties have a responsibility not to cause harm.

I don't think anyone has a "right" to cause harm to themselves, but that's just my opinion. Regarding assisted suicide, well, I won't cause a big hootenanny by debating it here. Suffice to say I'm pretty much as far against it as you can get.

[snellios.livejournal.com]

"BDSM? Fine, if that's what's fun for you. But both parties have a responsibility not to cause harm." - BDSM does cause physical harm. That's kinda the point. And you said, "I think that when you're causing actual bodily harm to someone to the point of requiring hospitalization - whether consensual or not, you've committed a crime", which is kinda contradictory. BDSM is a type of harm, and you are saying that if you cause harm, you deserve punishment.

And that analogy is crap. The whole point is that you are causing harm, no matter to what extent. Driving at 20mph isn't dangerous, driving at 80kph is. You say say that everyone that causes harm, even unintentionally in some circumstances, needs to be punished; BDSM and consensual harm is a type of harm, and by your standards should be punished.

I of course, disagree, believing that consent takes away the responsibility from the batterer; as long as they carry out the persons will only.

[tinylegacies.livejournal.com]

BDSM is a type of harm, and you are saying that if you cause harm, you deserve punishment.

I don't think you can compare a sexual act with willful violence.

[snellios.livejournal.com]

dude wtf?

The sex act involves violence which WILL DEFINITELY HARM THE PERSON.

This is no different, the girl wanted to be hit in the stomach, and she got exactly what she wanted! In fact, this is, in some ways, better than BDSM, because often in kinky sex the sub has no idea what's gonna happen. This girl new exactly what was going to happen, before, during and after she saw the baseball bat coming towards her. She specifically asked him to do it.

They are both willful violence...

[lots42.livejournal.com]

IIRC, the person who got hit was sixteen. She can't LEGALLY give consent to be beaten up

[snellios.livejournal.com]

Gah, true. Nice work. I still hold on all counts, if she were over 18.